wrote:

analogdial wrote: "I think you have excessive curiosity concerning America's Top Secret
ATOMIC TIME PROGRAM. If you're thinking that ATOMIC TIME TECHNOLOGY
will somehow aid you in building a TIME MACHINE, I should warnFLLLLUSSSHHHHH!!


Wo-wo-WOOAAA! Chill!

You've gone off on a greater tangent
than Jimmy Blozet when his car threw
a wheel at Daytona.

All I want is to be able to tune in to 5, 10.
15, 20, or 25mHz once per month to
reset my windup and other dummy
clocks and watches! That's.

all!

Isn't it OBVIOUS? The FEDS are well aware of your UN-AMERICAN attempts
to obtain the ABOVE TOP SECRET details and locations of America's ATOMIC
TIME PROGRAM. You have GOOGLESOURCED the entire internet and, of
course, come up with ZILCH. Not even CNN or the NEW YORK TIMES would
dare divulge the SECURE location of America's ATOMIC TIME TRANSMITTERS.

By now, I'm sure you're aware that the US Government has SELECTIVELY
BLOCKED your reception of ATOM TIME. I urge you to turn yourself in to
the FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND ATOMIC TIME SECURITY immediately.
There is nowhere or nowhen to hide.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 04:38:30 -0000 (UTC), analogdial
wrote:

wrote:

analogdial wrote: "I think you have excessive curiosity concerning America's Top Secret
ATOMIC TIME PROGRAM. If you're thinking that ATOMIC TIME TECHNOLOGY
will somehow aid you in building a TIME MACHINE, I should warnFLLLLUSSSHHHHH!!


Wo-wo-WOOAAA! Chill!

You've gone off on a greater tangent
than Jimmy Blozet when his car threw
a wheel at Daytona.

All I want is to be able to tune in to 5, 10.
15, 20, or 25mHz once per month to
reset my windup and other dummy
clocks and watches! That's.

all!

Isn't it OBVIOUS? The FEDS are well aware of your UN-AMERICAN attempts
to obtain the ABOVE TOP SECRET details and locations of America's ATOMIC
TIME PROGRAM. You have GOOGLESOURCED the entire internet and, of
course, come up with ZILCH. Not even CNN or the NEW YORK TIMES would
dare divulge the SECURE location of America's ATOMIC TIME TRANSMITTERS.

By now, I'm sure you're aware that the US Government has SELECTIVELY
BLOCKED your reception of ATOM TIME. I urge you to turn yourself in to
the FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND ATOMIC TIME SECURITY immediately.
There is nowhere or nowhen to hide.

I can remember when someone could post a radio-related question here and receive
a useful answer in a reasonably short time from one or more of the many people
here who were actually knowledgeable about shortwave radio.

Now, sadlly, there is instead a bunch of nitwits who seem to think someone may
have somehow gotten hold of five cruise missiles and plans to launch one at each
antenna site for the five WWV transmitters (one for each frequency) using the
coordinates given in the newsgroup as targeting data. Pathetic!

WWV antenna coordinates (WGS84):

2.5 MHz - 40°40'55.0 N, 105°02'33.6 W
5 MHz - 40°40'41.9 N, 105°02'27.2 W
10 MHz - 40°40'47.7 N, 105°02'27.4 W
15 MHz - 40°40'44.8 N, 105°02'26.9 W
20 MHz - 40°40'52.8 N, 105°02'30.9 W

This information appears in NIST Special Publication 250-67, which was released
in 2005 and has complete info on WWV as well as on WWVH and WWVB - including
site maps and photographs. It can be freely downloaded in Portable Document
Format (PDF) from the following URL:

http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/1969.pdf

My apologies to the OP for not posting this sooner. I honestly thought somebody
else would have finally gotten around to doing so by now, but apparently there's
an unfortunate lack of well-versed real radio hobbyists around here these days.

John D. Kasupski, W2PIO
Niagara Falls, New York, USA
TS-450S/TS-50/DX-394/Wires

John Kasupski wrote: "This information appears in NIST Special Publication
250-67, which was released in 2005 and has complete info on WWV as well
as on WWVH and WWVB - including site maps and photographs."


Thank you John. So based on those coordinates
they are all roughly on the same patch of land,
just at the opposite end of the country from me.
Odd, because I swore the 'B' in WWVB stood for
Boulder, and the H stood for Hawaii(or Honolulu).


Good news is, between their power-down and up,
and some electrical work I had done last Tuesday,
I now more consistently get in the signal at 5 and
10mHz. Seems the noise floor is a tad lower now
in my local area, enough for me to HEAR the
dang things! Now for the 40+yr old dining
room chandelier & dimmer knob, which induces
a loud BUZZZZ on my AM reception at a
particular point on said dimmer. LOL

John Kasupski wrote: "...but apparently there's an unfortunate lack of well-versed
real radio hobbyists around here these days. "


You can blame the INTERET for most of
that decline. A few bucks per month and
a few clicks and one can chat up a storm
about the Kardashians or what-not. lol!
No worries about caps, propogation,
or when the best TX/RX times are.


Say John, you seen that Quaid movie
'Frequency' yet? Would love your take on
the technical aspects of it, the ham and
all.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 03:42:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:

John Kasupski wrote: "...but apparently there's an unfortunate lack of well-versed
real radio hobbyists around here these days. "


You can blame the INTERET for most of
that decline. A few bucks per month and
a few clicks and one can chat up a storm
about the Kardashians or what-not. lol!
No worries about caps, propogation,
or when the best TX/RX times are.

Yeah, but it doesn't all have to be in THIS newsgroup.

Say John, you seen that Quaid movie
'Frequency' yet? Would love your take on
the technical aspects of it, the ham and
all.

Ouch. I might be the only ham in America who hasn't. I started watching it once
back when it first came out on DVD, saw about the first 20 minutes of it, then
had to quit because something more important came up. I still haven't gotten
around to watching the rest.

John D. Kasupski
Niagara Falls, NY

Welcome to the anonymity of the internet.


-Mike

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 05:37:52 -0500, John Kasupski wrote:

I can remember when someone could post a radio-related question here and
receive a useful answer in a reasonably short time from one or more of
the many people here who were actually knowledgeable about shortwave
radio.

Now, sadlly, there is instead a bunch of nitwits who seem to think
someone may have somehow gotten hold of five cruise missiles and plans
to launch one at each antenna site for the five WWV transmitters (one
for each frequency) using the coordinates given in the newsgroup as
targeting data. Pathetic!

On 2/25/2017 5:37 AM, John Kasupski wrote:

I can remember when someone could post a radio-related question here and receive
a useful answer in a reasonably short time from one or more of the many people
here who were actually knowledgeable about shortwave radio.

The OP DID get several "useful answers". IIRC, I responded to the OP two
different times that if he could not hear WWV, he should try CHU in
Canada, I even posted CHU's URL for his convenience. But for some reason
he seems stuck on WWV -- even though he claims he can't hear it. Go
figure...

73, Joe

Joe from Kokomo wrote: "I responded to the OP two different times that if he could not hear WWV, he should try
CHU in Canada, I even posted CHU's URL for his convenience. But for some reason he seems stuck on WWV --
even though he claims he can't hear it. Go figure...

73, Joe "


Well let me ask you this: I, too, would rather use
'domestic' shortwave time service, but perhaps I'm
not understanding CHU? Does CHU broadcast from
an atomic clock in Canada - or are they just a
repeater for the WWVs?

Joe from Kokomo wrote: "I responded to the OP two different times that if he could not hear WWV, he should try
CHU in Canada, I even posted CHU's URL for his convenience. But for some reason he seems stuck on WWV --
even though he claims he can't hear it. Go figure...

73, Joe

On 2/25/2017 9:03 AM, wrote:

Well let me ask you this: I, too, would rather use
'domestic' shortwave time service,

Time is time..."domestic" has nothing to do with anything.

but perhaps I'm
not understanding CHU?

Apparently you are not understanding it; that's why I previously posted
the URL for CHU, which explains all.

Does CHU broadcast from
an atomic clock in Canada

Yes

- or are they just a
repeater for the WWVs?

No, see below:

I thought I answered this once before, but maybe not.

No, CHU is not a "repeater" for WWV. They ARE a stand alone time service
run by the Canadian government as Canada's equivalent of the WWV
service. CHU has their own atomic clock and it is every bit as accurate
as WWV. I mention CHU because they are transmitting from a different
location, the point being that if propagation from Colorado to you is
bad, it may (or may not) be better from CHU to you -- but certainly
worth a try.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 06:03:19 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Joe from Kokomo wrote: "I responded to the OP two different times that if he could not hear WWV, he should try
CHU in Canada, I even posted CHU's URL for his convenience. But for some reason he seems stuck on WWV --
even though he claims he can't hear it. Go figure...

73, Joe "


Well let me ask you this: I, too, would rather use
'domestic' shortwave time service, but perhaps I'm
not understanding CHU? Does CHU broadcast from
an atomic clock in Canada - or are they just a
repeater for the WWVs?

It's the Canadian government's own time station, operated by the Institute for
National Measurement Standards of the National Research Council of Canada, which
has its own atomic clock.

FWIW, it also has a feature WWV/WWVH/WWVB do not - CHU sends a data signal at
seconds 31 to 39 which allows any computer with a Bell 103 compatible 300 baud
modem to receive/decode an accurate time source.

(If the Bell 103 standard sounds familiar to anyone here, that might be because
it's also the standard we hams use for packet radio on HF - so if your station
is already set up for that, you now know something else you can do with it)

The station is located at 45° 17' 47" N, 75° 45' 22" W, which is near Barrhaven,
Ontario, a short distance from Ottawa. They transmit with 3 kW on 3.330 MHz and
14.670 MHz, and 10 kW on 7.850 MHz. Any sources you see that say CHU operates on
7.335 MHz are obsolete - they moved from there to 7.850 MHz at 0000 UTC on
January 1, 2009 to escape interference from broadcast stations.

John D. Kasupski
Niagara Falls, NY