Jeff Renkin wrote:

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

Why would he want to do that?

I don't know, why not ask him? He is the one that for some reason feels the need to know
my name and address. Not needed to have this discussion. I don't need to search and
find some name and call sign that belongs to someone else and pose as that identity as this
guy does. At least I am honest and don't need to hide behind someone else's identity.

All he wants to do is verify that you
actually walk the walk, and anre not just talking the talk. He's
posting his call in the clear,

Who says that is HIS call sign??? Just because someone posts with a real sounding name
or call does not mean it is theirs. I doubt even he would be so stupid to post his real
call sign

Hey Butthead, I guess I'm that 'stupid', cause it is MY callsign. YOU on the other hand, have
no callsign, but you'd sure like to make us think that you do. Nice try though. Now go study
that code!

knowing that his address and other personal info is available to everyone here
and then start causing arguments as he is doing. Then again, he doesn't seem to
understand why learning code has nothing to do with using a microphone, so perhaps he IS
that stupid. Point is, there is no way to know if he stole that call sign or not without
further investigation.

Never assume someone posting with a call sign really owns that callsign.

There is an ancient saying: "On Usenet, nobody knows you're a dog."
Anybody can claim to be anything (or anybody) they wish. The
operative word is "claim."

Exactly. Don't assume he is who he says he is. He just wanted to prove he was a
General and posted with a general's call sign. I could just as easy find an Extra
callsign and pose as that person too. That would not be a nice thing to do, however,
as then this nut will go and vandalize the house and property of some poor guy who had
nothing to do with this argument at all.

You make a rather roundabout claim to to be General or Extra and even
a GROL,

Yeah and I had the first class license too, before they made us turn them in for the GROL
which is nothing more than the same questions that is on the Extra ham exam, only without
the morse code requirement. If you take the Extra, you might as well just sit through
the GROL because most of the questions were taken from one to put on the other.

Jeff Renkin wrote:

Steve, N8KDV, General Class... look it up Butthead!

Yeah, we all are supposed to believe that a 50 year old man is going to use phrases like
"butthead" and call names like a school child. Next time steal an identity that is closer
to your age.

It also loses credibility for you to tell other people to learn code, when you pose as a
General who is too lazy to learn and get his Extra class license.

Now that you only have to know 5 wpm to upgrade to Extra which a General would already have
credit for, what is keeping you from upgrading?? Perhaps the questions are too hard for
you. Those are things you should know before operating a transmitter, not morse code.

Hey, if I go find someone else's call sign like you did and post under that, will I then
have the great credibility that you have on this newsgroup to all those gullible enough to
believe that a 50 year old is going to use phrases like "butthead"?

Yep, I'm 50 years young Butthead. Nice try. I guess I could upgrade, but why? I rarely get on
the air. But if I did, I'd be operating some CW. You on the other hand don't even have the
opportunity, why?, because you're to damn busy shooting off your mouth. Get to studying!

Jeff Renkin wrote:

Steve, N8KDV, General Class... look it up Butthead!

Yeah, we all are supposed to believe that a 50 year old man is going to use phrases like
"butthead" and call names like a school child. Next time steal an identity that is closer
to your age.

It also loses credibility for you to tell other people to learn code, when you pose as a
General who is too lazy to learn and get his Extra class license.

Pose? Come on Butthead, you can do better than that. If I'm 'posing' (as you are), then someone
better do the right thing and contact the 'real' N8KDV as sonn as possible. LMAO



Now that you only have to know 5 wpm to upgrade to Extra which a General would already have
credit for, what is keeping you from upgrading?? Perhaps the questions are too hard for
you. Those are things you should know before operating a transmitter, not morse code.

Hey, if I go find someone else's call sign like you did and post under that, will I then
have the great credibility that you have on this newsgroup to all those gullible enough to
believe that a 50 year old is going to use phrases like "butthead"?

Herbert West wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:36:01 -0400, N8KDV
wrote:



Jeff Renkin wrote:

Steve, N8KDV, General Class... look it up Butthead!

Yeah, we all are supposed to believe that a 50 year old man is going to use phrases like
"butthead" and call names like a school child. Next time steal an identity that is closer
to your age.

It also loses credibility for you to tell other people to learn code, when you pose as a
General who is too lazy to learn and get his Extra class license.

Now that you only have to know 5 wpm to upgrade to Extra which a General would already have
credit for, what is keeping you from upgrading?? Perhaps the questions are too hard for
you. Those are things you should know before operating a transmitter, not morse code.

Hey, if I go find someone else's call sign like you did and post under that, will I then
have the great credibility that you have on this newsgroup to all those gullible enough to
believe that a 50 year old is going to use phrases like "butthead"?

Yep, I'm 50 years young Butthead. Nice try. I guess I could upgrade, but why? I rarely get on
the air. But if I did, I'd be operating some CW. You on the other hand don't even have the
opportunity, why?, because you're to damn busy shooting off your mouth. Get to studying!


Hey Steve... Check this site out! g

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/nocode0

73,

Herb N1***

LOL, that's pretty good!

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:42:01 -0500, Spurious Noise wrote:

But you made a very good point and to add to it -- a regular change of
passwords is a good idea also - which I now do.


Even safer is to just use one password once (keep a text file on your desktop
or hot-keyed).


My e-mail address is an alias from my provider and I change the alias every
2 months or so depending on spamming. I get very little spam these days. My
friends and relatives are very tolerant of frequent address changes.

One of my current web site providers allows two hundred e-mail addresses so
I'm thinking about setting up so I know which passwords (if not all sigh)
have been compromised. (however, that's really just curiosity).

I'm pretty crippled up most of the time so I can sit here a lot and it's
sorta fun to watch my spam program do its thing ("Spamfire" for the Macintosh
is a *great* program).


Also I ask friends never to send me an e-mail with several others in it --
(i.e., mass sending of jokes as everyone seems to like to do), rather I tell
them to send by using blind copy ONLY --- Bcc. This hides the recipient
list.

Sad commentary on today's society -- BUT one must take steps to prevent
spam, etc.

Oh, I hack some pretty weird people off (like "nazi's - not under Godwin) but
wacko's quoting their mental dwarf him/itself).

And then they help beta test my despammer grin.


Also if you put your e-mail address on a web page -- DO NOT PUT IT IN TEXT
FORM -- use a jpeg or gif.
Apparently the spiders can not read the @ sign when it is in picture form.


The spiders can't "read" an image - not any of it.

Think of an optical character reader (ocr) and you'll get the "image" dux.
It can read the pages but a "straight" ocr can't do a thing with graphics.


Anyway, I have been on line since 1985 and have always used my name and
city/state.


--
73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"'
-------------------------------------------------



Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Entropy Maintenance Technician
Tao Chemical Company
--------------------------

http://www.cybercoffee.org/
Vicksburg, Mississippi US

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, N8KDV
scribbled:

Hey Butthead, I guess I'm that 'stupid', cause it is MY callsign.

I HOPE you have better manners when you're using your radios.

But I'll bet you don't.

You've never made much money betting have you?



To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

It's your SIG, say what you want to say....

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:08:17 GMT, Jeff Renkin in rec.radio.scanner - :


Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....



LOL, Edna Rimby can copy code at 20 WPM, but I have kept my
identity anon fro the same reason.

Hey Butthead, I guess I'm that 'stupid', cause it is MY callsign.

I HOPE you have better manners when you're using your radios.

Now keep in mind, this is one of those guys that complains we need morse code to
keep the "CB people" off the ham bands.

Yet listen to the ham bands on HF and you hear people like this with phrases
like this all the time.

On CB, you hear nothing but Spanish now.

Since Morse code is used in the HF bands and you need to pass the code test
to get the license to work the HF bands, it seems to make sense to me.

It makes sense to require someone to learn morse code,
when they only want to use the portions of the bands set aside for voice??

Sure! That's why before you can get a license to drive an automobile, you have
to pass a test to show that you can ride a horse first. Or why you can't get
a license to practice law before you can pass a test to show you can bake an
apple pie.

Want to talk into a microphone on HF? Learn morse code first.

Want to use morse code? Learn and pass a test on how to speak and understand
Russian first.

Don't be lazy! All you whiners who want to get on the ham bands and use morse
code without having to learn Russian first stop your complaining and get
studying!

Doesn't matter if you never intend to USE Russian, the purpose of the
requirement is to make it harder for people to get a license. I don't ever
use morse code, but had to learn it before being allowed to talk into a
microphone on HF, so get busy and start learning Russian!

Before you know it, these lazy morse code lovers are going to want to be able to
go to the store and just BUY a gallon of milk without having to take any written
exams first, or be able to walk on the sidewalk for free without having to learn
and pass a test on egyptian hieroglyphics first.

How lazy can you get?

Jeff Renkin wrote:

Since Morse code is used in the HF bands and you need to pass the code test
to get the license to work the HF bands, it seems to make sense to me.

It makes sense to require someone to learn morse code,
when they only want to use the portions of the bands set aside for voice??

Sure! That's why before you can get a license to drive an automobile, you have
to pass a test to show that you can ride a horse first. Or why you can't get
a license to practice law before you can pass a test to show you can bake an
apple pie.

Want to talk into a microphone on HF? Learn morse code first.

Want to use morse code? Learn and pass a test on how to speak and understand
Russian first.

Don't be lazy! All you whiners who want to get on the ham bands and use morse
code without having to learn Russian first stop your complaining and get
studying!

Doesn't matter if you never intend to USE Russian, the purpose of the
requirement is to make it harder for people to get a license. I don't ever
use morse code, but had to learn it before being allowed to talk into a
microphone on HF, so get busy and start learning Russian!

Before you know it, these lazy morse code lovers are going to want to be able to
go to the store and just BUY a gallon of milk without having to take any written
exams first, or be able to walk on the sidewalk for free without having to learn
and pass a test on egyptian hieroglyphics first.

How lazy can you get?

As lazy as you I guess. You don't want to learn code, so be it. Just stop whining
about it, OK?