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Jeff Renkin wrote in message
In emergencies hams are NOT broadcasting to the public. In an emergency anyone is broadcasting to ANYONE that is listening. If you think a ham or anyone else in an emergency is not going to want a non-ham to help, or will refuse to deal with a non-ham you are crazy. If I'm on a ham band calling for help, I don't expect non hams to be listening. If there are, well, so much the better, but I would never *expect* any to be listening. If I get on a ham band, I'm transmitting to other hams, and other hams only. If I want a non ham, I would get on my cell phone or yell real loud. In an emergency you can even use frequencies and radios at your access that you would not normally be licensed to operate on. We are talking about EMERGENCIES here. No time to waste playing morse code or taking the time to pound out a cry for help one letter at a time in a mode that only ends up sounding like silly beeps to most of the people listening on the other end that would otherwise be hearing your cry for help. B.S. Most hams on the HF bands know code well enough to get a simple message through. I've actually dealt with a marine emergency on the radio. Have you? Wanna know how the boat got our attention though all the noise on 40m? CW. They were too weak to get through on fone until we actually knew they were there. After they got our attention, yes, we went to phone. Mainly because the coast guard station in Miami was on phone. Next time you are stranded in your car and need a tow, why don't you call on your cell phone and punch our your problem in morse code with the touch tone pad and see how fast you are able to get any assistance. Your call for assistance will be taken as a prank phone call and they will hang up on you and you will remain stranded until you decide to talk into the microphone so that someone can hear and understand your message. Yea right....Any other goofy "no one in their right mind" scenarios you want to dream up? Common sense folks. You can pretend to say otherwise here on this newsgroup, but when the real emergency arises, the last thing on your mind will be playing with morse code! Then see how fast you can use a microphone and your voice! Speed is not usually an issue. Solid copy is more important. Sure, I would try to use phone if possible. But if not, I can get the job done on CW. Can you? I guess they would die. Too bad....Another day , another $2.34 ... They are using their skills to pass messages from the public and emergency services to the public and emergency services via the ham network. No has to be able to understand the message while it is in transit except the hams. This is true. MOST hams don't understand morse code either! The no-code tech class has outnumbered the other license classes for years, and those that did learn the code only did so to pass the test and many never used it after the test. (like myself and all my ham friends) "Most" hams on HF do though. At least well enough to tell someone is trying to call them. Myself, I know code fast enough to keep up with just about anyone. They can send 50 wpm, and I'll still copy just fine. I can send or receive a message using CW just about as fast as voice. To me, CW is almost voice. Just really monotone... Send code to us and it will be nothing more than beep beep beep beep. I remember SOS and the letter R for some reason (probably since most repeaters end with R on their id) but that won't tell me where you are or what the problem is. That is a personal problem that shouldn't be confused this with "us". I wouldn't be so fast to speak for all of hamdom. All of us semi-old farts ain't dead yet. Unless you talk to us, you can consider yourself dead in an emergency. Not me. I'd fix his ass up right fast. He can use any freaking mode he wants. I'm not particular. CW, RTTY, PSK, SSB, AM, FM, hell, I don't care...Whatever works on their end. Thus hams can and will use any means at their disposal appropriate to the situation, that includes voice, It sure does. It sure does. BTW, I could care less about the code or no-code debate. This is just addressing overall sillyness in thinking. MK |
Never anonymous Bud wrote: Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, N8KDV scribbled: Really, guess I'm not a ham then. I think we were ALL coming to that conclusion. And yet once again Bud, your conclusion is incorrect. It must really suck to be you. Oh well... To reply by email, remove the XYZ. Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk. It's your SIG, say what you want to say.... |
In an emergency anyone is broadcasting to ANYONE that is listening. If you
think a ham or anyone else in an emergency is not going to want a non-ham to help, or will refuse to deal with a non-ham you are crazy. If I'm on a ham band calling for help, I don't expect non hams to be listening. Actually MORE people who are not hams could be listening with their scanners than hams with their 2-meter radios. You just don't know they are there because they can't talk back, but they are listening. Just like when the cops say things they shouldn't on their radios because they think the only ones listening are the other cops. If there are, well, so much the better, but I would never *expect* any to be listening. If I get on a ham band, I'm transmitting to other hams, and other hams only. Even with that mindset, MOST hams don't understand morse code, especially those that would be on 2-meters which would most likely the band you would use to call for help. If I want a non ham, I would get on my cell phone or yell real loud. Ham or not, you would use the cellphone if you had one over any ham radio. In an emergency you can even use frequencies and radios at your access that you would not normally be licensed to operate on. We are talking about EMERGENCIES here. No time to waste playing morse code or taking the time to pound out a cry for help one letter at a time in a mode that only ends up sounding like silly beeps to most of the people listening on the other end that would otherwise be hearing your cry for help. B.S. Most hams on the HF bands know code well enough to get a simple message through. Most hams only learn the code to pass the test, then never use it after that. You are also not going to be using an HF radio to call for help, you would use the 2-meter radio. God help you if you had to use the HF radio to get help! Keep in mind what frequencies and bands the police, fire and paramedics use, and why they don't use HF for emergency radio use. They also don't know or ever use morse code in any emergency. In fact in disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes when we assist them with our equipment and resources, we don't ever use morse code either, we use voice every time. I've actually dealt with a marine emergency on the radio. Have you? No, all mine have been on land, but I am prepared to do so. The testing requirements for getting a GROL means you know what frequencies to monitor, and at what times you have to be monitoring them and all that other good stuff relating to marine emergencies, even though I got the license for broadcast use. Actually, now the GROL doesn't even have any broadcast use, but some stations still like to see that you have it if you want to be chief engineer. It is not required, but they like if you have it. But getting it means you are tested on all this stuff too. Interesting enough, morse code was never a requirement for that. Even when there was the First Class Radiotelephone Operators License for chief engineers of Broadcast stations, there was no code requirement. You could be working on and operating transmitters operating on 50,000 watts of power and not need to know code, but for a citizen's hobby ham radio license where most are using substantially less power, you needed to know code. It was an international requirement, although Japan found a nice way to get around it, and the US decided that you could get out of the international agreement by getting a doctor's note. Lazy handicapped people? Or is it that when you are handicapped or injured in an emergency, you may not be able to operate a code key, only a microphone??? Aha! Wanna know how the boat got our attention though all the noise on 40m? CW. That doesn't do any good to those monitoring for a "mayday" like every GROL licensee is doing. No mention of Morse Code is ever brought up. You are to ask for help with the international distress call of MAYDAY. They were too weak to get through on fone until we actually knew they were there. After they got our attention, yes, we went to phone. Of course you did. You needed to know where they were and all the other details. If they had to pound it out one letter of the alphabet at a time with morse code, they would have been dead before the message ever got out. Mainly because the coast guard station in Miami was on phone. That's right. They don't use morse code, and neither does the military. Neither do ANY emergency services like Police, Fire, Paramedics. No time to play around with morse code in a real emergency. If it had ANY sort of advantage at all, they would require the military, police, fire and paramedics to learn it. But they don't, do they? Of course not. Case closed. Next time you are stranded in your car and need a tow, why don't you call on your cell phone and punch our your problem in morse code with the touch tone pad and see how fast you are able to get any assistance. Your call for assistance will be taken as a prank phone call and they will hang up on you and you will remain stranded until you decide to talk into the microphone so that someone can hear and understand your message. Yea right....Any other goofy "no one in their right mind" scenarios you want to dream up? Wow, you didn't even comprehend what you read, did you? It was meant to be a goofy scenarios that would never happen, it was an example of the type of crap the morse code people always bring up. Glad to hear you think it is goofy like I do, but too bad you didn't even read what it said before you commented on it. You just proved you are not reading any of these statements, just looking where a paragraph ends and then making up an argument for the sake of argument. Now everyone here knows you are a troll. |
Jeff Renkin wrote: In an emergency anyone is broadcasting to ANYONE that is listening. If you think a ham or anyone else in an emergency is not going to want a non-ham to help, or will refuse to deal with a non-ham you are crazy. If I'm on a ham band calling for help, I don't expect non hams to be listening. Actually MORE people who are not hams could be listening with their scanners than hams with their 2-meter radios. You just don't know they are there because they can't talk back, but they are listening. Just like when the cops say things they shouldn't on their radios because they think the only ones listening are the other cops. If there are, well, so much the better, but I would never *expect* any to be listening. If I get on a ham band, I'm transmitting to other hams, and other hams only. Even with that mindset, MOST hams don't understand morse code, especially those that would be on 2-meters which would most likely the band you would use to call for help. If I want a non ham, I would get on my cell phone or yell real loud. Ham or not, you would use the cellphone if you had one over any ham radio. In an emergency you can even use frequencies and radios at your access that you would not normally be licensed to operate on. We are talking about EMERGENCIES here. No time to waste playing morse code or taking the time to pound out a cry for help one letter at a time in a mode that only ends up sounding like silly beeps to most of the people listening on the other end that would otherwise be hearing your cry for help. B.S. Most hams on the HF bands know code well enough to get a simple message through. Most hams only learn the code to pass the test, then never use it after that. You are also not going to be using an HF radio to call for help, you would use the 2-meter radio. God help you if you had to use the HF radio to get help! Keep in mind what frequencies and bands the police, fire and paramedics use, and why they don't use HF for emergency radio use. They also don't know or ever use morse code in any emergency. In fact in disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes when we assist them with our equipment and resources, we don't ever use morse code either, we use voice every time. I've actually dealt with a marine emergency on the radio. Have you? No, all mine have been on land, but I am prepared to do so. The testing requirements for getting a GROL means you know what frequencies to monitor, and at what times you have to be monitoring them and all that other good stuff relating to marine emergencies, even though I got the license for broadcast use. Actually, now the GROL doesn't even have any broadcast use, but some stations still like to see that you have it if you want to be chief engineer. It is not required, but they like if you have it. But getting it means you are tested on all this stuff too. Interesting enough, morse code was never a requirement for that. Even when there was the First Class Radiotelephone Operators License for chief engineers of Broadcast stations, there was no code requirement. You could be working on and operating transmitters operating on 50,000 watts of power and not need to know code, but for a citizen's hobby ham radio license where most are using substantially less power, you needed to know code. It was an international requirement, although Japan found a nice way to get around it, and the US decided that you could get out of the international agreement by getting a doctor's note. Lazy handicapped people? Or is it that when you are handicapped or injured in an emergency, you may not be able to operate a code key, only a microphone??? Aha! Wanna know how the boat got our attention though all the noise on 40m? CW. That doesn't do any good to those monitoring for a "mayday" like every GROL licensee is doing. No mention of Morse Code is ever brought up. You are to ask for help with the international distress call of MAYDAY. They were too weak to get through on fone until we actually knew they were there. After they got our attention, yes, we went to phone. Of course you did. You needed to know where they were and all the other details. If they had to pound it out one letter of the alphabet at a time with morse code, they would have been dead before the message ever got out. Mainly because the coast guard station in Miami was on phone. That's right. They don't use morse code, and neither does the military. Neither do ANY emergency services like Police, Fire, Paramedics. No time to play around with morse code in a real emergency. If it had ANY sort of advantage at all, they would require the military, police, fire and paramedics to learn it. But they don't, do they? Of course not. Case closed. Next time you are stranded in your car and need a tow, why don't you call on your cell phone and punch our your problem in morse code with the touch tone pad and see how fast you are able to get any assistance. Your call for assistance will be taken as a prank phone call and they will hang up on you and you will remain stranded until you decide to talk into the microphone so that someone can hear and understand your message. Yea right....Any other goofy "no one in their right mind" scenarios you want to dream up? Wow, you didn't even comprehend what you read, did you? It was meant to be a goofy scenarios that would never happen, it was an example of the type of crap the morse code people always bring up. Glad to hear you think it is goofy like I do, but too bad you didn't even read what it said before you commented on it. You just proved you are not reading any of these statements, just looking where a paragraph ends and then making up an argument for the sake of argument. Now everyone here knows you are a troll. And that you are one helluva idiot! |
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:46:46 -0500, Key Largo wrote
(in message pYYgb.58797$Ms2.28397@fed1read03): Anyone who would be posting with their REAL callsign would not be stirring up fights with anyone on a newsgroup, would they? Or course not. Believe me -- even if you do not flame or stir up a fight, Even if you are very diplomatic in taking exceptions. Or if you are female. The nuts will sooner or later come after you. Anon In Key Largo Most of them can't - they're impotent. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
Jeff Renkin wrote in message ...
In an emergency anyone is broadcasting to ANYONE that is listening. If you think a ham or anyone else in an emergency is not going to want a non-ham to help, or will refuse to deal with a non-ham you are crazy. If I'm on a ham band calling for help, I don't expect non hams to be listening. Actually MORE people who are not hams could be listening with their scanners than hams with their 2-meter radios. You just don't know they are there because they can't talk back, but they are listening. Just like when the cops say things they shouldn't on their radios because they think the only ones listening are the other cops. I'm not talking about 2 meters. If I'm close enough to use a repeater, I'm probably just as close to a phone or able to hit a cell site with my phone. Any emergency that I would use a radio to call for help will likely be so far away from any civilization, 2 meters will be useless. I know when I'm on the highway, 2 meters is useless most of the time. Thats why I live on 40m in the day, and 75m at night when I'm on the road. I like to actually be able to talk to people on a regular basis. But just to ease your mind, I can work any band from 160m to 70cm when mobile or portable. If there are, well, so much the better, but I would never *expect* any to be listening. If I get on a ham band, I'm transmitting to other hams, and other hams only. Even with that mindset, MOST hams don't understand morse code, especially those that would be on 2-meters which would most likely the band you would use to call for help. Where do you get this 2 meter mindset at? The chances of me ever using 2 meters to call for help is very remote at best. Also where do you get these weird ideas about who and who doesn't know cw? Sure, many of the no-coders on 2 meters don't know the code. But I wouldn't use 2 meters. It's obvious you must not know too many people on HF. If I want a non ham, I would get on my cell phone or yell real loud. Ham or not, you would use the cellphone if you had one over any ham radio. Maybe, maybe not. My cell phone is useless in many parts of the country. IE: lets say I drive out to the Fort Davis area in west Texas. Cell phones don't work worth a hoot there. But my radio sure will. My radio works everywhere in the world on some particular band. No cell site or repeater required. In an emergency you can even use frequencies and radios at your access that you would not normally be licensed to operate on. We are talking about EMERGENCIES here. No time to waste playing morse code or taking the time to pound out a cry for help one letter at a time in a mode that only ends up sounding like silly beeps to most of the people listening on the other end that would otherwise be hearing your cry for help. B.S. Most hams on the HF bands know code well enough to get a simple message through. Most hams only learn the code to pass the test, then never use it after that. So you say...Quite a few still use it after the test. Maybe you don't, but you ain't everybody. You are also not going to be using an HF radio to call for help, you would use the 2-meter radio. You must be high. The HF radio is the only one I would ever be likely to use. If I have to use a ham radio to call for help, I'm too far away for 2m or my cell phone to be of any use. If I'm not far way, I wouldn't use a radio to call for help. None of them. God help you if you had to use the HF radio to get help! What do you think the sailboat I mentioned was using? A 70 cm HT? We were on 40m. That is HF. Being they were well off the coast of Mexico out in the Pacific, what would you suggest they use? Tin cans and a string? Flipper, with a message in a bottle tied around his neck? Oh, I get it. You would insist they waste their time and valuable battery power, and uselessly holler for hours on end on 2 meters...:/ I'm starting to think you are the troll... Keep in mind what frequencies and bands the police, fire and paramedics use, and why they don't use HF for emergency radio use. What do they have to do with anything we are talking about? I'm not going to get on a radio and talk to the police or whoever directly. They throw you in jail for that around here. And I don't care to hear about any emergency clauses...I'm not getting on any public service freq with my uncertified radio. I wouldn't trust the *******s any more than I could throw them. I've seen people go to jail for that here in Houston. One was a "in training" police officer who had a handheld motorola sabre radio in his car. He didn't even use it. He was just caught in possesion of it. They dialed around and heard police officers. They noticed it could transmit. He went to jail. If the emergency requires that I talk on a public service freq, I guess the poor *******s will just have to die. I'm not risking my ass over it. Besides, my radio is not opened up, and is incapable of such a thing anyway. In other words, it's useless speculation. They also don't know or ever use morse code in any emergency. In fact in disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes when we assist them with our equipment and resources, we don't ever use morse code either, we use voice every time. So what? I wouldn't expect them to. I do expect at least one of those hams to be capable of it though...If they can't, they ain't much of an emergency station in my book. I've actually dealt with a marine emergency on the radio. Have you? No, all mine have been on land, but I am prepared to do so. Not using CW you aren't, if you can barely handle an SOS...I hope the boat can hit a repeater...:/ The testing requirements for getting a GROL means you know what frequencies to monitor, and at what times you have to be monitoring them and all that other good stuff relating to marine emergencies, even though I got the license for broadcast use. Actually, now the GROL doesn't even have any broadcast use, but some stations still like to see that you have it if you want to be chief engineer. It is not required, but they like if you have it. But getting it means you are tested on all this stuff too. Interesting enough, morse code was never a requirement for that. What does getting a GROL have to do with being capable of holding a CW qso in an emergency? Even when there was the First Class Radiotelephone Operators License for chief engineers of Broadcast stations, there was no code requirement. You could be working on and operating transmitters operating on 50,000 watts of power and not need to know code, but for a citizen's hobby ham radio license where most are using substantially less power, you needed to know code. It was an international requirement, although Japan found a nice way to get around it, and the US decided that you could get out of the international agreement by getting a doctor's note. Again, what does this have to do with being able to hold a CW qso in an emergency? I could give a rats rectum what the broadcasters do. Lazy handicapped people? You said it, not me. Or is it that when you are handicapped or injured in an emergency, you may not be able to operate a code key, only a microphone??? Aha! If I can push a mike button, I can work a paddle. Besides, the mike on my 706mk2g can be used as a code key in a pinch. Looks like I just knocked down those lame ass excuses. Wanna know how the boat got our attention though all the noise on 40m? CW. That doesn't do any good to those monitoring for a "mayday" like every GROL licensee is doing. What does GROL have to do with being able to work a cw qso in an emergency? , or even noise in general? Do GROL'ers constantly listen to the 40m phone band for emergencies? Sounds like a waste of time to me... No mention of Morse Code is ever brought up. So? Most are probably too lazy to learn it anyway...Sounds like a bunch of rubber duck commando's most likely...I envy them. They really are OFFICIAL LOOKING radio operators. I wish I could hang 5 or 6 HT's on my beltline without my pants falling down around my ankles. I'd be a Ūreal operator then... You are to ask for help with the international distress call of MAYDAY. They were too weak to get through on fone until we actually knew they were there. After they got our attention, yes, we went to phone. Of course you did. You needed to know where they were and all the other details. If they had to pound it out one letter of the alphabet at a time with morse code, they would have been dead before the message ever got out. Do you really believe all this dribble you are spewing out? You need to come by and watch me work CW. I'll straighten you out real fast. It's obvious you have no earthly idea what you are talking about when it comes to CW. I can receive CW faster than many of these rednecks here in TX can talk. The coast guard met us on our freq , not the other way around. If the boat had CW only, I'm sure they would have dealt with it. How? They would let me do it and I would relay if they had no one capable. See how useful I would be in such a case? See how useless you would be? Kinda like tits on a bore hog... You'd let them drown, not me. Mainly because the coast guard station in Miami was on phone. That's right. They don't use morse code, and neither does the military. I think they are capable of it. "coast guard" Pretty sure they are as a matter of fact. They usually have someone in the office that can work a little CW if it's really needed. They wouldn't be much of a coast guard if they couldn't. Who cares about the military. I'm not planning on bombing a small country. Neither do ANY emergency services like Police, Fire, Paramedics. No time to play around with morse code in a real emergency. If it had ANY sort of advantage at all, they would require the military, police, fire and paramedics to learn it. But they don't, do they? Of course not. Case closed. You have all these various agencies stuck so far up your heinie, it's clouded your mind. I could give a flying #$%^ what they do. I'm only concerned about what I can do, or have done as far as this thread is concerned. I'm a ham, not a policeman or EMS. Why would I care what they do? The only thing I care about is their being able to find my ass, after I call them. Next time you are stranded in your car and need a tow, why don't you call on your cell phone and punch our your problem in morse code with the touch tone pad Wow, you didn't even comprehend what you read, did you? It was meant to be a goofy scenarios that would never happen, it was an example of the type of crap the morse code people always bring up. Is this phenomena related to the ridiculous crap some non coders bring up? Myself, I haven't brought up anything like that. You said in an earlier post that no one ever works emergencies using CW. Fine. That's your right. But, I'm flat out telling you that you are full of crap. You are wrong and you are too stubborn to even consider otherwise. In other words, you don't seem to like code, or even be willing to concede it could be useful in some cases. I would call this a mental block. It seems you think everyone should be like you and ignore a potentially useful mode. But many of us aren't you. I learned code when I was in the 8th grade. "32 years ago". I'm not going to quit using it just because you don't think it's stylish or useful. It may not be too stylish anymore, but it's still quite useful to people who can work it. I could probably handle traffic just as fast on CW than I could voice. Hell, you gotta write it all down anyway. What's the difference? None to me. Maybe a lot to you. My handled traffic would likely be more accurately transcribed if I used CW in bad or noisy band cdx, than if I used phone. No guessing about letters or spelling. Glad to hear you think it is goofy like I do, but too bad you didn't even read what it said before you commented on it. Oh, I read that silly crap just fine... You just proved you are not reading any of these statements, just looking where a paragraph ends and then making up an argument for the sake of argument. You are just proving that even with someone telling you CW has been used in an emergency, "me", you don't want to hear anything about it. You just want to spew back all this uselss GROL crap. I'm not GROL. Can we spell mental block? Now everyone here knows you are a troll. Well, I'd rather be a troll than someone who has a mental problem dealing with code users. I have no problems with anyone that doesn't want to use code. I could care less. But for someone to get on here and spread ignorant falsehoods about it, that *will* get my goat. You aren't really qualified to comment on the subject, if you can't hardly work CW well enough to make out an SOS. It's like reading the other day that PSK31 is hard to "tune" and operate, being so narrow. Again, B.S... Only someone who hasn't used it would say that. See a connection? I can handle emergency traffic on any band, using any mode, including cw. I'm ready for anything. You seem not to be. I have no problems with that, as long as you don't mistakenly claim to be just as useful an operator. If you can't work CW, you are inferior as an operator when compared to me. Thats a fact, not speculation. Notice I didn't say ham. I said OPERATOR. MK |
Jeff Renkin wrote in message ...
Anyone who would be posting with their REAL callsign would not be stirring up fights with anyone on a newsgroup, would they? Ha...You haven't seen me in action. I've verbally gouged out the eyeballs of a few people on this group when they got a bit rectal with me. But they have to earn it first. Some do manage though. And I post my real call. I'm not scared of anyone. I live at 11119 Burdine in Houston. Anyone want to make my day? I'll blow so many freaking holes in any troublemakers, they will need a good quality stop leak to make it back home. I have nearly a zero tolerance for horsecrap and smartasses. I can't stand a smartass in particular...I'll tear them a new one every time. And I'll do it right here in front of everyone and their sisters. NM5K said that... |
I've actually dealt with a marine emergency on the radio. Have you?
No, all mine have been on land, but I am prepared to do so. Not using CW you aren't, Point is, CW is not used for marine emergencies anymore. The testing requirements for getting a GROL means you know what frequencies to monitor, and at what times you have to be monitoring them and all that other good stuff relating to marine emergencies, even though I got the license for broadcast use. Actually, now the GROL doesn't even have any broadcast use, but some stations still like to see that you have it if you want to be chief engineer. It is not required, but they like if you have it. But getting it means you are tested on all this stuff too. Interesting enough, morse code was never a requirement for that. What does getting a GROL have to do with being capable of holding a CW qso in an emergency? What it has to do is, every ship has to have someone with with this license, and if you had the license, you would know that CW is not used anymore in emergencies. The test insures you know what frequencies to monitor and use, and the procedures, and to call using MAYDAY, not CW. substantially less power, you needed to know code. It was an international requirement, although Japan found a nice way to get around it, and the US decided that you could get out of the international agreement by getting a doctor's note. Lazy handicapped people? You said it, not me. But we both agree on this. Or is it that when you are handicapped or injured in an emergency, you may not be able to operate a code key, only a microphone??? Aha! If I can push a mike button, I can work a paddle. Besides, the mike on my 706mk2g can be used as a code key in a pinch. Looks like I just knocked down those lame ass excuses. Exactly! So why are handicapped people excused from learning the code then? Besides, the test today only requires you to LISTEN to code not pound it out. So there should be no excuse why a handicapped person is excused from the code, but no one else is! Fine tuning in to hear someone on sideband, and being able to do all the other more complicated adjustments other than a simple closure of two contacts to send code, requires a lot more dexterity and I don't see how these handicapped people are excused because they don't want to use code, but the rest of us who also don't want to use code had to learn and pass it, only to go and forget it again because we had no intentions of ever using it. Wanna know how the boat got our attention though all the noise on 40m? CW. That doesn't do any good to those monitoring for a "mayday" like every GROL licensee is doing. What does GROL have to do with being able to work a cw qso in an emergency? , or even noise in general? Do GROL'ers constantly listen to the 40m phone band for emergencies? No, but there were two frequencies you were required to monitor, and at specific times of the hour to, not any HF frequencies, and you were listening for a mayday, not CW. This changes constantly, and unless I am going to be in a marine situation, I don't need to find out what frequency or frequencies are monitored now unless I am going to be doing that, then I will update my self on what has changed since I was last tested. But the point here is that there were only two frequencies I had to monitor, and anyone else in a distress situation would know to use those two frequencies since he had the same license. He would also then know that no one would be listening for morse code. So? Most are probably too lazy to learn it anyway... Is the reason you never learned every language of every country in the world is because you are lazy, or because you don't waste time learning things you don't intend to use? Everytime you tell someone who never intends to use code that they are lazy for not learning it, they can come back at you with thousands of things YOU must therefore also be too LAZY to learn. Did you ever learn how to perform brain surgery? French Law? How to produce fuel for the space shuttle? Marine biology? Russian sentence structure? Rules of the road in Japan? Egyptian Hieroglyphics? Why not? Because you are LAZY? Now what if I told you you had to learn one of more of those before you were allowed to talk into a microphone on HF? You would tell me I was friggin crazy! Now you know how everyone else feels when told they have to learn morse code before they can use a microphone. I am surprised that people that had to learn the code like I did, never found it and odd thing when they were told they had to do it. I understand NOW why some people want the requirement.... because "if we had to learn the worthless crap, so does everyone else." Well I had to learn it too, but I am mature and smart enough to realize that it is a silly requirement that makes no sense, and can deal with the fact that others will not have to learn and do what I had to do. I just take satisfaction in the idea that society has gotten rid of a silly law, rather than be upset that I had to do something and now no one else has to do it, like a little spoiled child. Imagine former slaves getting mad that future generations will no longer have to get whipped and be slaves but they had to go through it. I am sure they are all happy that no one has to go through that hell anymore, rather than fight to keep slavery legal. In essence, people fighting to keep the code requirement are doing the same thing as a black man fighting to keep slavery around. They were too weak to get through on fone until we actually knew they were there. After they got our attention, yes, we went to phone. Of course you did. You needed to know where they were and all the other details. If they had to pound it out one letter of the alphabet at a time with morse code, they would have been dead before the message ever got out. Do you really believe all this dribble you are spewing out? If I was wrong and you were right, then the military would not have dropped the code worldwide, the international requirement for ham radio would not have been dropped as it just was, and police fire and paramedics would be required to learn the code. But it is NOT that way, it is the way things are now, and that backs up my position, not yours. You need to come by and watch me work CW. I'll straighten you out real fast. It's obvious you have no earthly idea what you are talking about when it comes to CW. I can receive CW faster than many of these rednecks here in TX can talk. Impossible. CW requires each letter be sent as up to several beeps each. Speech can get entire words out faster than just some individual letters of a word using CW. Plus, you can hear the distress and urgency in someone's voice needing urgent attention, but with CW, a distressful emergency message sounds just the same as a friendly chat to someone tuning across the dial quickly and passing it. The coast guard met us on our freq , not the other way around. The coast guard doesn't go around scanning frequencies other that those they are required to in the idea that you are out there and don't know the rules or didn't bother to carry a radio with the proper frequencies as required by law. If the boat had CW only, I'm sure they would have dealt with it. How? They would let me do it and I would relay if they had no one capable. So all around the world, you will be there at a seconds notice for this situation. See how useful I would be in such a case? No, everyone out there who is LEGALLY out there knows what radios, frequencies, and procedures are practiced in such a situation and knows that no one at the coast guard is going to be trained in decoding morse code. Now if someone is out there who doesn't know this, it is better off they never be found rather than living in our world endangering our lives and taking our jobs because they don't follow the laws. See how useless you would be? Kinda like tits on a bore hog... You'd let them drown, not me. Let them drown for not following proper procedure? That's like me accusing you of letting someone die because they entered our country illegally, then called you for help in a language you didn't understand and you were unable to help them or know what was wrong. Mainly because the coast guard station in Miami was on phone. That's right. They don't use morse code, and neither does the military. I think they are capable of it. We are all capable of learning how to fly the space shuttle, but most people on the planet have no idea how to fly one. MOST people in the world do not know morse code. Using that as a cry for help means most of those that would be able to receive your signal would not understand your message. Same would go for a foreign language in voice, and that is why all pilots and air traffic controllers all over the world in every country must know and speak English. They do not learn morse code. a matter of fact. They usually have someone in the office that can work a little CW if it's really needed. They wouldn't be much of a coast guard if they couldn't. You are wrong. The coast guard made an official statement when they were no longer going to be using code. From AP news archive: Months after the code was abandoned under international convention for ships in trouble, the only private U.S. network of coastal radio stations using Morse has turned off the transmitters. Simple but slow, the telegraph was overtaken decades ago by the telephone, by data systems capable of reproducing printed words at the receiving end, and by satellite for most forms of communication. But until the newest generation of satellite and computer technology took hold, Morse code endured for mariners. Now e-mail is within easy reach for many at sea and modern ships have automated emergency beacons designed to allow rescuers to zero in on them. ``Morse code has finally met its match,'' says Tim Gorman, operations director for Globe Wireless, the company that dropped the curtain on commercial radiotelegraphy by ceasing transmissions at its four stations in Half Moon Bay, Calif., and Slidell, La. Last week the World War II-era Liberty ship Jeremiah O'Brien, docked in San Francisco harbor, transmitted a Morse farewell to President Clinton. ``History is made on this day as we embark on a new era of communication,'' it began. The message was translated back into English and sent to the White House the modern way, via e-mail. The International Maritime Organization officially phased out Morse code Feb. 1 for ships in peril, replacing it with the high-tech Global Maritime Distress and Safety System. Here is the IMPORTANT PART for you to read.... The U.S. Coast Guard ceased Morse operations several years ago and no longer monitors radio frequencies used for the code. ``There's no government facility listening,'' he said. And now with the loss of the radio stations, there is ``nobody privately listening,'' So, now this incorrect argument of yours can be put to rest! :) |
The U.S. Coast Guard ceased Morse operations several years ago and no
longer monitors radio frequencies used for the code. ``There's no government facility listening,'' he said. |
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