On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:08:17 GMT, Jeff Renkin
wrote:


Are you a General or Extra? I don't see a Jeff Renkin or a Jeffrey Renkin listed at
QRZ. What is your call OM?

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....

Gee...a straight shootin' lateral thinker (like me) for a change!

Yair... we have the same problem in Oz where some idiots think that
putting a ham callsign at the end of a usenet post is going to provide
some golden aura of revelation about the individual placing the post
and that anyone who doesn't put their ham callsign (if they have one)
on usenet is anonomously 'hiding'.

I mean...you're dead right (and my line of thinking is) that *all*
anyone is going to be able to do with a ham callsign is to run off
like a snivvelling little sneak to a database and (possibly) get a
name and an address. Then what? Are they going to send a posse around
and blow up your household mailbox? Or sit scouring the airwaves
hoping to come across you on-air so that they can give you an earful?

And the argument that putting a ham callsign into a post provides
'credibility' is a load of hooey. Let's face it, if anyone can pirate
a ham callsign on-air...they can sure as hell do it on usenet as well.
And the average newsgroup player would be absolutely *none* the wiser
about the person or the personality on the other end of the post.

Is a mere ham callsign going to tell them anything more about an
already anonomous situation? It is going to tell them whether you're a
beer-swilling yobbo or a connoisseur of fine red wines, or whether you
drive a beat up jalopy or drive a Rolls-Royce.

As I profess, a ham callsign is nothing more than a mere *radio*
transmission identifier and usenet is all about computers, landlines
and stuff. But, no doubt, you have your fair share of poor misguided
souls who seem to think that a ham callsign is some sort of extension
of their personality.

smithxpj wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:08:17 GMT, Jeff Renkin
wrote:

Are you a General or Extra? I don't see a Jeff Renkin or a Jeffrey Renkin listed at
QRZ. What is your call OM?

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....

Gee...a straight shootin' lateral thinker (like me) for a change!

Yair... we have the same problem in Oz where some idiots think that
putting a ham callsign at the end of a usenet post is going to provide
some golden aura of revelation about the individual placing the post
and that anyone who doesn't put their ham callsign (if they have one)
on usenet is anonomously 'hiding'.

I mean...you're dead right (and my line of thinking is) that *all*
anyone is going to be able to do with a ham callsign is to run off
like a snivvelling little sneak to a database and (possibly) get a
name and an address. Then what? Are they going to send a posse around
and blow up your household mailbox? Or sit scouring the airwaves
hoping to come across you on-air so that they can give you an earful?

And the argument that putting a ham callsign into a post provides
'credibility' is a load of hooey. Let's face it, if anyone can pirate
a ham callsign on-air...they can sure as hell do it on usenet as well.
And the average newsgroup player would be absolutely *none* the wiser
about the person or the personality on the other end of the post.

Is a mere ham callsign going to tell them anything more about an
already anonomous situation? It is going to tell them whether you're a
beer-swilling yobbo or a connoisseur of fine red wines, or whether you
drive a beat up jalopy or drive a Rolls-Royce.

As I profess, a ham callsign is nothing more than a mere *radio*
transmission identifier and usenet is all about computers, landlines
and stuff. But, no doubt, you have your fair share of poor misguided
souls who seem to think that a ham callsign is some sort of extension
of their personality.

What he's really saying is that if he did have a callsign, (he doesn't), then he wouldn't
even give it out on the air for fear that someone actually might look it up in a database.
LMAO

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

Never anonymous Bud wrote:

Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, N8KDV
scribbled:

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

You have NO proof of that, and you're still a jackass.

Ha! You can't disprove that, and you're a jackass too!



To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

It's your SIG, say what you want to say....

Are you a General or Extra? I don't see a Jeff Renkin or a Jeffrey Renkin listed at
QRZ. What is your call OM?

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....

Gee...a straight shootin' lateral thinker (like me) for a change!

Yair... we have the same problem in Oz where some idiots think that
putting a ham callsign at the end of a usenet post is going to provide
some golden aura of revelation about the individual placing the post
and that anyone who doesn't put their ham callsign (if they have one)
on usenet is anonomously 'hiding'.

And keep in mind that many just look up and steal a callsign and identity like this other
guy did. How many 50 year old men do you know going around on newsgroups calling people
"Butthead"?

He made the mistake of not picking a callsign that belonged to someone closer to his real
age.

I mean...you're dead right (and my line of thinking is) that *all*
anyone is going to be able to do with a ham callsign is to run off
like a snivvelling little sneak to a database and (possibly) get a
name and an address. Then what? Are they going to send a posse around
and blow up your household mailbox?

The type of person that goes around calling people names like "Butthead" when there are
statements in a discussion he does not like MIGHT do something like that, yes.

Thus the reason you never post your callsign or personal info. Keep in mind if the
callsign this guy was posting was really his, he would not be calling names and starting
fights for the same reason that everyone can find his name and address too! But since it
is not his callsign, he doesn't care if you would do anything to the house of the poor
person who the callsign really belongs to.

Anyone who would be posting with their REAL callsign would not be stirring up fights with
anyone on a newsgroup, would they? Or course not. His actions and age have shown us
what is going on here.

Or sit scouring the airwaves
hoping to come across you on-air so that they can give you an earful?

He doesn't have a license, or he would not have made the statements he did, like that you
need to learn morse code to get a ham call sign. Any REAL ham knows you don't have to
pass a code test for well over a decade now and can still get a ham license and call
sign. The fact he didn't know this shows he is not a ham.

And the argument that putting a ham callsign into a post provides
'credibility' is a load of hooey.

What it provides, is proof that the person is either an idiot, or that he stole someone
else's callsign.

Let's face it, if anyone can pirate
a ham callsign on-air...they can sure as hell do it on usenet as well.
And the average newsgroup player would be absolutely *none* the wiser
about the person or the personality on the other end of the post.

Except when, as in this case, he steals the callsign of someone who is much older than he
is not knowing the age of the real callsign holder, and makes statements about ham radio
that are not only wrong, but would be something all real hams would know and not make a
mistake about.

Is a mere ham callsign going to tell them anything more about an
already anonomous situation? It is going to tell them whether you're a
beer-swilling yobbo or a connoisseur of fine red wines, or whether you
drive a beat up jalopy or drive a Rolls-Royce.

No, it just provides the guarantee that your house will be egged or rocks will fly through
your windows by some angry teenager that can't stand to lose debates on newsgroups.

As I profess, a ham callsign is nothing more than a mere *radio*
transmission identifier and usenet is all about computers, landlines
and stuff. But, no doubt, you have your fair share of poor misguided
souls who seem to think that a ham callsign is some sort of extension
of their personality.

Or in some cases, belongs to the personality it was stolen from.

Jeff Renkin wrote:

Are you a General or Extra? I don't see a Jeff Renkin or a Jeffrey Renkin listed at
QRZ. What is your call OM?

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....

Gee...a straight shootin' lateral thinker (like me) for a change!

Yair... we have the same problem in Oz where some idiots think that
putting a ham callsign at the end of a usenet post is going to provide
some golden aura of revelation about the individual placing the post
and that anyone who doesn't put their ham callsign (if they have one)
on usenet is anonomously 'hiding'.

And keep in mind that many just look up and steal a callsign and identity like this other
guy did. How many 50 year old men do you know going around on newsgroups calling people
"Butthead"?

He made the mistake of not picking a callsign that belonged to someone closer to his real
age.

I mean...you're dead right (and my line of thinking is) that *all*
anyone is going to be able to do with a ham callsign is to run off
like a snivvelling little sneak to a database and (possibly) get a
name and an address. Then what? Are they going to send a posse around
and blow up your household mailbox?

The type of person that goes around calling people names like "Butthead" when there are
statements in a discussion he does not like MIGHT do something like that, yes.

Thus the reason you never post your callsign or personal info. Keep in mind if the
callsign this guy was posting was really his, he would not be calling names and starting
fights for the same reason that everyone can find his name and address too! But since it
is not his callsign, he doesn't care if you would do anything to the house of the poor
person who the callsign really belongs to.

Anyone who would be posting with their REAL callsign would not be stirring up fights with
anyone on a newsgroup, would they? Or course not. His actions and age have shown us
what is going on here.

Or sit scouring the airwaves
hoping to come across you on-air so that they can give you an earful?

He doesn't have a license, or he would not have made the statements he did, like that you
need to learn morse code to get a ham call sign. Any REAL ham knows you don't have to
pass a code test for well over a decade now and can still get a ham license and call
sign. The fact he didn't know this shows he is not a ham.

And the argument that putting a ham callsign into a post provides
'credibility' is a load of hooey.

What it provides, is proof that the person is either an idiot, or that he stole someone
else's callsign.

Let's face it, if anyone can pirate
a ham callsign on-air...they can sure as hell do it on usenet as well.
And the average newsgroup player would be absolutely *none* the wiser
about the person or the personality on the other end of the post.

Except when, as in this case, he steals the callsign of someone who is much older than he
is not knowing the age of the real callsign holder, and makes statements about ham radio
that are not only wrong, but would be something all real hams would know and not make a
mistake about.

Is a mere ham callsign going to tell them anything more about an
already anonomous situation? It is going to tell them whether you're a
beer-swilling yobbo or a connoisseur of fine red wines, or whether you
drive a beat up jalopy or drive a Rolls-Royce.

No, it just provides the guarantee that your house will be egged or rocks will fly through
your windows by some angry teenager that can't stand to lose debates on newsgroups.

As I profess, a ham callsign is nothing more than a mere *radio*
transmission identifier and usenet is all about computers, landlines
and stuff. But, no doubt, you have your fair share of poor misguided
souls who seem to think that a ham callsign is some sort of extension
of their personality.

Or in some cases, belongs to the personality it was stolen from.

Hey Butthead, it's really my call... you're wrong again, as you have been all along.

Steve
Holland, MI

Drake R7, R8 and R8B
BC-895, PRO-2045

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

People have been getting ham call signs for over a decade now because the Morse Code
requirement WAS dropped that long ago. If you were really a ham, you would have known that.

If the code requirement was truly what was preventing me from getting a call, I could still
have gotten a call over 10 years ago. And in the same 1x3 format that the call you are
posting under is.

So now that we all know (and you have just now learned) that I indeed could have a callsign
without knowing morse code, not posting it must instead be for the same reason I don't post my
social security number, real email address, and mother's maiden name on newsgroups, because
only uneducated people make that mistake. There are too many people like you out there
that use that information to hurt people just because they can't have civil debates and
discussions like mature adults.

You have made too many mistakes in your statements that a real ham would not have made. You
also go around name calling with names that a 50 year old man would not use. But since you
had no way of knowing the age of the holder of the call sign you are using, you didn't know
that until now. Perhaps in a few weeks you will come back posting under a different call
sign.

Since you claim to be a general that passed the code requirement, and since you don't need to
ever take a code test again to upgrade to Extra... Why don't you have an Extra class
license? Surely you can memorize the answers to the written part? Cripes, 8 year old
children are getting their Extra licenses in one sitting, why can't you, since the code is not
even an issue here as it is only 5 wpm across the board (something else you would not know)
and you would not need to take another code test to get your Extra.

See, this makes no sense either and shows contradictions revealing lies.

And the further you try to stand on your lies, the more you will have to create and only dig
yourself deeper into contradictions.

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I will no longer reply to any idiotic statements made by those just arguing for the sake of
arguing.

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

You have NO proof of that, and you're still a jackass.

Forget all about that for a minute, and read his statement that I could not have a call sign
until the morse code requirement is dropped. That is very revealing about him! Any
real ham would know this is not true! You can indeed get a call without ever having to
learn morse code, and have been able to do so for more than 10 years now.

So now we have PROOF that he is not a ham, and therefore stole someone else's call sign.

Perhaps we should email the callsign holder at the arrl.net email address that can only be
used by the real holder of the callsign and let the holder know that his call sign is being
used on this newsgroup?

Let's see if he can come back and post the text of that email back here on this group proving
he is the true holder. If he can't do that, then he is not the true holder. We will
wait and see.

Jeff Renkin wrote:

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

People have been getting ham call signs for over a decade now because the Morse Code
requirement WAS dropped that long ago. If you were really a ham, you would have known that.

Really, guess I'm not a ham then.



If the code requirement was truly what was preventing me from getting a call, I could still
have gotten a call over 10 years ago. And in the same 1x3 format that the call you are
posting under is.

So now that we all know (and you have just now learned) that I indeed could have a callsign
without knowing morse code, not posting it must instead be for the same reason I don't post my
social security number, real email address, and mother's maiden name on newsgroups, because
only uneducated people make that mistake. There are too many people like you out there
that use that information to hurt people just because they can't have civil debates and
discussions like mature adults.

Yep, I'm just looking to hurt poor folk such as yourself. That is indeed what I sppend my entire
day doing. LMAO



You have made too many mistakes in your statements that a real ham would not have made.

Mistakes? Such as?

You
also go around name calling with names that a 50 year old man would not use.

I'm 50, I'm using it Butthead... so once again you are wrong.

But since you
had no way of knowing the age of the holder of the call sign you are using, you didn't know
that until now.

I know the age of the callsign holder perfectly well, after all it is me!

Perhaps in a few weeks you will come back posting under a different call
sign.

I doubt it, I've been posting under this call for a long time.



Since you claim to be a general that passed the code requirement, and since you don't need to
ever take a code test again to upgrade to Extra... Why don't you have an Extra class
license?

Guess I've just never bothered to upgrade. Oh well...

Surely you can memorize the answers to the written part? Cripes, 8 year old
children are getting their Extra licenses in one sitting, why can't you, since the code is not
even an issue here as it is only 5 wpm across the board (something else you would not know)
and you would not need to take another code test to get your Extra.

No kidding.



See, this makes no sense either and shows contradictions revealing lies.

No lies at all Butthead, just your fantasies.



And the further you try to stand on your lies, the more you will have to create and only dig
yourself deeper into contradictions.

-------------------------------------
I will no longer reply to any idiotic statements made by those just arguing for the sake of
arguing.

Jeff Renkin wrote:

The key thing here though is that poor Jeff doesn't have a call, and won't have one till
the Morse requirement is dropped.

You have NO proof of that, and you're still a jackass.

Forget all about that for a minute, and read his statement that I could not have a call sign
until the morse code requirement is dropped. That is very revealing about him! Any
real ham would know this is not true! You can indeed get a call without ever having to
learn morse code, and have been able to do so for more than 10 years now.

So now we have PROOF that he is not a ham, and therefore stole someone else's call sign.

Perhaps we should email the callsign holder at the arrl.net email address that can only be
used by the real holder of the callsign and let the holder know that his call sign is being
used on this newsgroup?

I don't have an email address at the arrl.net site. I'm not even a member of the ARRL. LMAO



Let's see if he can come back and post the text of that email back here on this group proving
he is the true holder. If he can't do that, then he is not the true holder. We will
wait and see.

Anyone who would be posting with their REAL callsign would not be stirring
up fights with
anyone on a newsgroup, would they? Or course not.

Believe me -- even if you do not flame or stir up a fight,
Even if you are very diplomatic in taking exceptions.
Or if you are female.
The nuts will sooner or later come after you.

Anon In Key Largo