Well, I for one am glad they do. My receiver is none too selective, but very
sensitive, and a really strong signal can play havoc with weak signals. So
many of them boom out megawatts of power, and it would wipe out a lot of
lesser signals if it was in-band. Now we have to figure out just what
defines christian s.


"Jack" wrote in message
...

I just was listening to a snip of Chistian Science Radio on WHSB that
signed off at 2000 UTC. Like many Christian stations, it was being
broadcast out of band, this transmission on 14.765 MHz. I checked out
WHSB's schedule on their web page and didn't find this particular freq
listed in their sked. (The sked listed only broadcasts inside normal
SW broadcast band limits).

Usually, I hear them just outside the band, bit 14.775 is a long way
from home!!! Why do so many "Christian" broadcasters treansmit out of
band? Few other than real "pirates" go OOB like that. And th4
pirates take precautions to avoide being located and fined, or worse!

"Jack" wrote in message
...

I just was listening to a snip of Chistian Science Radio on WHSB that
signed off at 2000 UTC. Like many Christian stations, it was being
broadcast out of band, this transmission on 14.765 MHz. I checked out
WHSB's schedule on their web page and didn't find this particular freq
listed in their sked. (The sked listed only broadcasts inside normal
SW broadcast band limits).

Usually, I hear them just outside the band, bit 14.775 is a long way
from home!!! Why do so many "Christian" broadcasters treansmit out of
band? Few other than real "pirates" go OOB like that. And th4
pirates take precautions to avoide being located and fined, or worse!



I think the FCC is allocating them old abandonded utility frequencies which
the ITU already has assigned to the US.

Frank Dresser

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:35:44 GMT, Jack
wrote:


Now we have to figure out just what defines christian s.

Well, I go by what the Bible says without much interprtation. Of
course that sets me at odds from most of the churches who are always
involved in inter-denominational in-fighting when they're not trying
to raise funds by any means possible, including calling it
"Evangelism.". So be it. g


Hmmm... As a Bible believing Christian myself, I find far right wing
conservatism repackaged as Christian Conservatism all to prevalent in
America. IMHO, they're misguided.

Take for example the Christian Coalition. Their aims a

1) make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
2) subvert every nation beside Israel.
3) pass globs of morality legislation

I dont understand it given Jesus was a progressive and the early
church, Socialist.

mike

Jack wrote:

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:51:44 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

"Jack" wrote in message
.. .

snip

Usually, I hear them just outside the band, bit 14.775 is a long way
from home!!! Why do so many "Christian" broadcasters treansmit out of
band? Few other than real "pirates" go OOB like that. And th4
pirates take precautions to avoide being located and fined, or worse!


I think the FCC is allocating them old abandonded utility frequencies which
the ITU already has assigned to the US.

Frank Dresser

Makes sense in a weird sort of way. At least it keeps them out of the
ITU SWBC bands where they play havoc with the DX. Probably makes the
Christian broadasters happy too, as they have relatively clear channel
allocations to "spread the word."

I suppose the ute freqs were abandoned as the utilities either went
under or moved operations to VHF/UHF/uW and satellite.

From what I've heard, utilities formerly on SW mostly use satellite.
They probably have better signal quality and reliability that way.

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...


From what I've heard, utilities formerly on SW mostly use satellite.
They probably have better signal quality and reliability that way.


No doubt. And if somebody thinks they can get some use from otherwise
unused parts of the SW spectrum, they ought to be allowed. I'd also like to
see the ham bands expanded and a hobby broadcasting service created. Make
some room for the people who actually want SW!

Frank Dresser

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:51:44 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

I think the FCC is allocating them old abandonded utility frequencies which
the ITU already has assigned to the US.

Could be, but how did WWCR end up with tropical-band frequencies?

mike wrote:
Take for example the Christian Coalition. Their aims a

1) make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
2) subvert every nation beside Israel.
3) pass globs of morality legislation

I dont understand it given Jesus was a progressive and the early
church, Socialist.

I think Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

--
It is possible to distinguish between a referral and a NXDOMAIN
response by the presense of NXDOMAIN in the RCODE regardless of the
presence of NS or SOA records in the authority section.
-- RFC 2308

"Jim Shaffer, Jr." wrote in message
...


Could be, but how did WWCR end up with tropical-band frequencies?



There are utility transmitters used on these frequencies outside the
tropics. I remember trying to catch some of the Latin American stations
among the racket 20 some years ago. The FCC has a frequency such as 3.210
in a fixed/mobile/radiolocation band:

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

So, I suppose the FCC could allow a broadcaster to broadcast on a US utility
frequency as long as it doesn't interfere with another service. But I don't
know for sure. This is a guess I made when stations ended up on all sorts
of oddball frequencies such as 12.172 MHz.

Frank Dresser

All the frequencies used by American broadcasters are approved by the FCC.
The FCC even lists the out-of-band frequencies on their offical list of all
US shortwave broadcasters:

http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/neg/hf_web/seasons.html

Bob




"Jack" wrote in message
...

I just was listening to a snip of Chistian Science Radio on WHSB that
signed off at 2000 UTC. Like many Christian stations, it was being
broadcast out of band, this transmission on 14.765 MHz. I checked out
WHSB's schedule on their web page and didn't find this particular freq
listed in their sked. (The sked listed only broadcasts inside normal
SW broadcast band limits).

Usually, I hear them just outside the band, bit 14.775 is a long way
from home!!! Why do so many "Christian" broadcasters treansmit out of
band? Few other than real "pirates" go OOB like that. And th4
pirates take precautions to avoide being located and fined, or worse!

Frank Dresser wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...


From what I've heard, utilities formerly on SW mostly use satellite.
They probably have better signal quality and reliability that way.


No doubt. And if somebody thinks they can get some use from otherwise
unused parts of the SW spectrum, they ought to be allowed. I'd also like to
see the ham bands expanded and a hobby broadcasting service created. Make
some room for the people who actually want SW!

I agree.