My CC&R's state specifically --- NO FLAG POLES -- only Flag flying is from
a bracket on the house

Further they say --- NO SHORTWAVE OPERATIONS IN THE COMPLEX
OOppps -- ban all cell phones, cordless phones etc --- huh ???

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73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
wrote in message ...


WShoots1 wrote:

Some hams have beat restrictions by using a vertical antenna as a flag
pole.

Bill, K5BY

Bill, on the other side there is a veteran in FL who is fighting with
his HOA because THEY don't want the flag poll. So they say, the flag is
ok.... This fellow is in court and his HOA is ready to sell his home out
from under him. He is trying to get $25,000+ to save his home. This
story was on FOX News it's so big. Even the FL Attorney General has come
out in his defense. A judge stopped the sale of this VETERAN'S home.

And those people in that HOA have the nerve to call themselves
"AMERICAN'S", I don't believe so.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination.

So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on
welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must
support them. Don't you believe in democracy?
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wrote in message ...
Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And
some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call
themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the
FREE.

By far, this posting by you is the best.

I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed.

It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around
HOA's
or there darn rules.

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to
fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And
they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.



Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, I thought there must be
some mistake. Maybe the reporters didn't get the story quite right and
the whole misunderstanding would be cleared up quickly. I was surprised
to learn how long this damn thing has been dragged out, despite the
support Mr. Andres has received from the public and the Florida
politicians. I was just as surprised to learn that there's several
similiar cases out there. Telling any American he can't raise a flag or
put up a religious monument on his own property is an abuse of power.
Telling it to a man who has served his country compounds the injustice.

I suppose we should remember that a small percentage of us are real
SOBs. A small percentage of governments are, or will be, run by SOBs.
That's democracy.

That's why I want my government to limited by some sort of respect for
individual rights.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
....
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...

SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

No, they shouldn't. It's just like the people that build houses at the end
of a runway then complain about the noise.
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
snippage

KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:44:35 GMT, Sid wrote:

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Of course, we here in the US do not live in a democracy. Rather, our
form of government is a representational republic.

Russ


Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

That's sad about that Florida vet and his flag pole. I'm glad to hear, though,
that he has some high power backing him.

Thanks for the report, Pappy.

Bill, K5BY

Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

The democracy that voted to end the life of Socrates was
pretty tyrannical. How would you like a democracy voting
to end your life?
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination.

So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on
welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must
support them. Don't you believe in democracy?

Don't work so hard, get a job that is easier and pays less. Get a good
survival location, some guns, some food, etc.. Sit back and watch the
burnoff of useless eaters as it unfolds. It will be glorious.