I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

ah.

Nice advice for pacifists and those having a lack of spine and
a yellow tint to the bellies.

Clint

Jerry Oxendine wrote:
Move to NC!

Or TX, or AZ. I didn't even have an HOA in San Jose, CA.
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Jerry, my daughter lives in Cornelius NC, (which is as you know just a
few miles north of you) they have an HOA but it apparently doesn't mean
a darn thing.

The neighbors are moving into $220,000 new homes, they put up metal
sheds chain link fences, etc. which both are against the HOA rules. NC
is no different than any other state, they all have the dreaded HOA's.
From what I see, the HOA rules are only enforced when some damn nosey
neighbor want's to put there nose into your business.

God Bless America for our Freedoms, where ever they may be.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

Move to NC! While I am sure there are HOA communities as the population
grows, there are still plenty
of older neighborhoods with excellent homes without HOAs here in my state.
And I have never had trouble finding a place to live without 'em. Once
checked out
a neighborhood in my town called YorkChester. Many
older homes of many styles and sizes. It had been desig-
nated an historic neighborhood and you couldn't even change the style of
your front door without dealing with
the old blue-haired lady with the peepovers. NOPE! I
ain't moving there. But I found a nice place on a dead end street where
such things had never been thought of.
Been here for 17 years.

Maybe it is more difficult in, say, California (the land of
fruits and nuts--dare I say it), but it is still possible to find
antenna-friendly places to live if one really wants to.

I have no sympathy for someone who moves into such a place where
restrictions exist KNOWING it. I am just
fiesty enough and ornery enough not to let someone else
tell me what I can do on my own property. One's property rights should
reign supreme; i.e., your rights end
at my property line, and mine end at yours. Most people
are sincerely enough for such rules not have to exist. The
neighborhood will conform by osmosis or "peer" pressure. If a neighborhood
has junk cars in it, look at the
rest of the houses; they likely will too. If there are mostly
frame "shotgun" houses, the rest are likely to be, too. If
the neighborhood is nice, brick/frame, trimmed hedges, mown lawns, *most*
all the others will be, too. Choose
your neighbors carefully and check for HOAs and coven-
ents FIRST.

Jerry

Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa and county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in hoa dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he don't like
to see.

I can't move out because the homes are too expensive here and almost all have
hoa stuff.
I could move out of the county to the country but the commute and schools are a
factor.
hoa rules not problem for me, nobody can see my antenna and if there is a
contest,
I put them up and take them down a day or two later.





wrote:

Jerry, my daughter lives in Cornelius NC, (which is as you know just a
few miles north of you) they have an HOA but it apparently doesn't mean
a darn thing.

The neighbors are moving into $220,000 new homes, they put up metal
sheds chain link fences, etc. which both are against the HOA rules. NC
is no different than any other state, they all have the dreaded HOA's.
From what I see, the HOA rules are only enforced when some damn nosey
neighbor want's to put there nose into your business.

God Bless America for our Freedoms, where ever they may be.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

Move to NC! While I am sure there are HOA communities as the population
grows, there are still plenty
of older neighborhoods with excellent homes without HOAs here in my state.
And I have never had trouble finding a place to live without 'em. Once
checked out
a neighborhood in my town called YorkChester. Many
older homes of many styles and sizes. It had been desig-
nated an historic neighborhood and you couldn't even change the style of
your front door without dealing with
the old blue-haired lady with the peepovers. NOPE! I
ain't moving there. But I found a nice place on a dead end street where
such things had never been thought of.
Been here for 17 years.

Maybe it is more difficult in, say, California (the land of
fruits and nuts--dare I say it), but it is still possible to find
antenna-friendly places to live if one really wants to.

I have no sympathy for someone who moves into such a place where
restrictions exist KNOWING it. I am just
fiesty enough and ornery enough not to let someone else
tell me what I can do on my own property. One's property rights should
reign supreme; i.e., your rights end
at my property line, and mine end at yours. Most people
are sincerely enough for such rules not have to exist. The
neighborhood will conform by osmosis or "peer" pressure. If a neighborhood
has junk cars in it, look at the
rest of the houses; they likely will too. If there are mostly
frame "shotgun" houses, the rest are likely to be, too. If
the neighborhood is nice, brick/frame, trimmed hedges, mown lawns, *most*
all the others will be, too. Choose
your neighbors carefully and check for HOAs and coven-
ents FIRST.

Jerry

"James" wrote in message
...
Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa and
county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only
covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in hoa
dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he don't
like
to see.


Complain to the HOA about the pervert who keeps taking pictures.

Ed
WB6WSN

Ed Price wrote:

"James" wrote in message
...
Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa and
county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only
covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in hoa
dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he don't
like
to see.

Complain to the HOA about the pervert who keeps taking pictures.

Ed
WB6WSN

That's called invasion of your privacy and harassment. To hell with the
HOA, call the police and file a complaint. Make it a matter for the
court, put this guy where he belongs. Some of those kind of people don't
learn until the financial ball hits them in there pocket.

OOOPS! Sorry about that. I forgot about Huntersville,
Davidson, etc. Nice area and expensive! I remember when the area was still
country and all those houses right the shoreline weren't built. Could've
bought a house in
the '70's for a 3rd of what it is now. And, also, I wouldn't move in there
for nut'in'--not to mention the
traffic is HORRIFIC on the I-77 corridor. Bumper to
bumper morning and evening--least little fender scraper,
your commute is over!

Let me modify this by say that, yes, there are lots of HOA communities
everywhere. But if you do a little
snooping before moving, you can find older neighborhoods that dont have the
HOA nonsense. I am
just independent to let someone tell me what to do on/with my own property.
And if I catch some bird on
a scooter taking pictures, he better not be on my land!
He comes down my driveway snooping, he just might get
his (*censored*) kicked. Sorry, but that is the way I feel about it. But
I've been here for many years, all of us here
get along well, stand beside the proverbial fence and chat,
borrow/loan tools, and all is well! ...Without any cussed
HOA!

Jerry
K4KWH

www.qsl.net/k4kwh
wrote in message ...

Jerry, my daughter lives in Cornelius NC, (which is as you know just a
few miles north of you) they have an HOA but it apparently doesn't mean
a darn thing.

The neighbors are moving into $220,000 new homes, they put up metal
sheds chain link fences, etc. which both are against the HOA rules. NC
is no different than any other state, they all have the dreaded HOA's.
From what I see, the HOA rules are only enforced when some damn nosey
neighbor want's to put there nose into your business.

God Bless America for our Freedoms, where ever they may be.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

Move to NC! While I am sure there are HOA communities as the population
grows, there are still plenty
of older neighborhoods with excellent homes without HOAs here in my
state.
And I have never had trouble finding a place to live without 'em. Once
checked out
a neighborhood in my town called YorkChester. Many
older homes of many styles and sizes. It had been desig-
nated an historic neighborhood and you couldn't even change the style of
your front door without dealing with
the old blue-haired lady with the peepovers. NOPE! I
ain't moving there. But I found a nice place on a dead end street where
such things had never been thought of.
Been here for 17 years.

Maybe it is more difficult in, say, California (the land of
fruits and nuts--dare I say it), but it is still possible to find
antenna-friendly places to live if one really wants to.

I have no sympathy for someone who moves into such a place where
restrictions exist KNOWING it. I am just
fiesty enough and ornery enough not to let someone else
tell me what I can do on my own property. One's property rights should
reign supreme; i.e., your rights end
at my property line, and mine end at yours. Most people
are sincerely enough for such rules not have to exist. The
neighborhood will conform by osmosis or "peer" pressure. If a
neighborhood
has junk cars in it, look at the
rest of the houses; they likely will too. If there are mostly
frame "shotgun" houses, the rest are likely to be, too. If
the neighborhood is nice, brick/frame, trimmed hedges, mown lawns,
*most*
all the others will be, too. Choose
your neighbors carefully and check for HOAs and coven-
ents FIRST.

Jerry

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:53:40 -0500, wrote:



Ed Price wrote:

"James" wrote in message
...
Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa and
county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only
covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in hoa
dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he don't
like
to see.

Complain to the HOA about the pervert who keeps taking pictures.

Ed
WB6WSN

That's called invasion of your privacy and harassment. To hell with the
HOA, call the police and file a complaint. Make it a matter for the
court, put this guy where he belongs. Some of those kind of people don't
learn until the financial ball hits them in there pocket.

Bzzzzt! Thank you for playing. You have no expectation of privacy in
a public place. You cannot forbid photography of the public areas of
your property.

Russ

"Russ" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:53:40 -0500, wrote:



Ed Price wrote:

"James" wrote in message
...
Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when
it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa
and
county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed
lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only
covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in
hoa
dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from
separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he
don't
like
to see.

Complain to the HOA about the pervert who keeps taking pictures.

Ed
WB6WSN

That's called invasion of your privacy and harassment. To hell with the
HOA, call the police and file a complaint. Make it a matter for the
court, put this guy where he belongs. Some of those kind of people don't
learn until the financial ball hits them in there pocket.

Bzzzzt! Thank you for playing. You have no expectation of privacy in
a public place. You cannot forbid photography of the public areas of
your property.

Russ

Yes, you can. None of your private property is public. Expectation of
privacy has nothing to do with the civil claim of Invasion of Privacy. It
is only a 4th Amendment doctrine.

You have every right to forbid photography of your private property, much
like concert venues and museums have that right, whether open to view or
not. To say otherwise would allow photography through open windows, if
viewable from the outside.

Thank YOU for playing.




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Taking curbside photos happens all the time. Real Estate Appraisers have to
produce pictures of at least two (usually three) comparable homes when
they're doing an appraisal. Sometimes, they get lucky and find one on MLS,
but usually they're shooting photos from across the street.

Having known several appraisers, I can tell you that they know very well to
be discreet when doing this. If people are present in the yard, they will
ask permission, but most just leave their motor running and shoot them out
of a rolled-down window.

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"MGoBlue" wrote in message ...

"Russ" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:53:40 -0500, wrote:



Ed Price wrote:

"James" wrote in message
...
Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when
it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in
hoa
and
county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed
lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only
covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase
in
hoa
dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no
!
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from
separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he
don't
like
to see.

Complain to the HOA about the pervert who keeps taking pictures.

Ed
WB6WSN

That's called invasion of your privacy and harassment. To hell with the
HOA, call the police and file a complaint. Make it a matter for the
court, put this guy where he belongs. Some of those kind of people
don't
learn until the financial ball hits them in there pocket.

Bzzzzt! Thank you for playing. You have no expectation of privacy in
a public place. You cannot forbid photography of the public areas of
your property.

Russ

Yes, you can. None of your private property is public. Expectation of
privacy has nothing to do with the civil claim of Invasion of Privacy. It
is only a 4th Amendment doctrine.

You have every right to forbid photography of your private property, much
like concert venues and museums have that right, whether open to view or
not. To say otherwise would allow photography through open windows, if
viewable from the outside.

Thank YOU for playing.




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