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Midwest Kid December 3rd 03 05:05 AM


"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
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We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!


No. We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. Name
any admentment and I can post a law that violates it that the courts have
upheld (ok, with the exception of the quartering of soildiers!!).



Frank Dresser December 3rd 03 05:48 AM


"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
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Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a

simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party

says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE


I dunno. Democracy usually works out as well as can be expected. It
works out well enough that Americans sometimes forget about the
potential tyranny of the majority. Having some of our rights written
down is a useful reminder.

Frank Dresser



Ed Price December 3rd 03 08:38 AM


"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
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Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!



Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".

Ed
wb6wsn


[email protected] December 3rd 03 12:51 PM

Bill, here are the web sites I received my information from:

http://www.ccfj.net/flyoldglory47.html (FL story)

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html (numerous anti flag stories)

WShoots1 wrote:

That's sad about that Florida vet and his flag pole. I'm glad to hear, though,
that he has some high power backing him.

Thanks for the report, Pappy.

Bill, K5BY


Cecil Moore December 3rd 03 04:11 PM

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.


If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Cecil Moore December 3rd 03 04:17 PM

Ed Price wrote:
Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".


In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a
representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who
votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws
are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e.
inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended).
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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J Aurelio December 3rd 03 06:42 PM

In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

Ed Price wrote:
Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".


In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a
representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who
votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws
are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e.
inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended).


No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering.
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Cecil Moore December 3rd 03 08:33 PM

J Aurelio wrote:
No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering.


On the contrary, I have an inalienable right to consume wine.
God gave us grapes and yeast and granted us dominion over all the
plants. Jesus turned water into wine. The US government saw fit
to suspend that inalienable right during the 20's & 30's. Thank
God I was born in 1938.
--
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Jerry Oxendine December 4th 03 04:08 AM


"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
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Well if I am not mistaken --- PRB-1 is NOT applicable to HOA's
Only municipal, county, etc



But you must've not read the entire post. I said that there are moves in
Congress to make those HOAs null and void, and those stuffed shirted old
buzzards will have to
make reasonable accomodations as is the case now under PRB-1. I am all for
it. The control freaks will just have to get a case of the "poochy lip" and
bear it.

For me, I have been here for 17 years--same house, same 70 ft antenna
tower. And a few dipoles to boot. I
doubt that that anyone is going to come along and make me move them. I'd
fight liked a cornered tiger! Then I'd
shoot 'em the bird and move far out into the country on
enough land to have those "Posted" signs on it and de-double dog dare anyone
to come messin' round. LOL!

Jerry


Jerry
K4KWH
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[email protected] December 4th 03 03:36 PM

You are speaking of Al Gore, the guy who claims to have invented the
internet. The guy who didn't even carry his own state of Tennessee.

He couldn't tie his shoes without being told how to or permission.

This thread isn't about politics. Get over it.

Cecil Moore wrote:

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.


If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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