When I lived in Austin, a ham on the air gave me an
excellent possible solution to the problem of
annoying home owner association self-appointed
gods.

He had lived in such a "anti-antenna" residence
at one time that didn't allow him to erect any outside
antennas. Therefore, he put a dipole up in his attic,
took ALL filtering out of line that he possibly could
and put the largest amplifier his money could buy
inline and began blasting away.

Of course he got knocks on the door, and people
beginning to complain, but they no longer had a legal
leg to stand on due to the FCC's requirements that
nearly all electrical gizmos and doo-dads "accept
any interference that results from other nearby
operating .... blah blah blah..."

The ham then told the home owners that this
was the result of having to move an antenna to the inside
of his attic to remove it from site, and gave them some
mumbo-jumbo jargon about why it causes more
interference than having it outside and high in the air
(referring to his antenna). Of course, he simply didn't
mention the huge planet-busting amplifier or the fact
that he removed all his filtering that he possibly could.

The home owners, believe it or not, made an exception
for him, after all the residential complaints about televisions,
telephones, baby monitors, answering machines and everything
else getting tore up constantly from RFI.

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

Clint,
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I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

Mark: I certainly believe in buying a nice receiver, but honestly, the
difference in performance I got switching from a horizontal loop near the house
to a "Doty style" antenna that's 225 feet away from the house was more dramatic
than you'd find if you compared the performance of my best military receiver
with a decent portable if they both used the same antenna.

Very interesting. Had you compared the performances of the mentioned receivers
on each antenna? In other words, did you find that the "Doty" helped the
portable more than it helped the military receiver? Or something like that.

Bill, K5BY

Hi

I agree with you, however, all the new homes have these restrictions, why ?

answer, to get a loan the banks want the restrictions and the builder wants
them
so nobody gets out of line before he sells out all the homesites.

Otherwise he gets stuck with unsold lots and homes and can't pay the loans he
got.

It I wanted to drive north or south of the city I live in I could get a nice
lot, build a nice
house and do anything I want.
Problem is the schools are not as new and up to date compared to those in my
county
I currently live in.

Also the commute is something to think about and utilities available.




I would NEVER live in a place that tries to tell me how to run my house or
yard. I'd tell them to go F%^K themselves and move.

I never understood why people put up with such bulls^&t.

"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Clint,
----clipped---

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

...kinda like sympathizing with HOA's that also frequently ban
flying an american flag as well.

Clint

wrote in message ...
That's how much you know about me. I don't sign leases.

'Doc wrote:

The only one you can blame for this problem is your
self. You signed the lease...
'Doc

as much as this person defends the jack-booted thugs of HOA's,
there must be something more to it that we don't know, wouldn't
you say?

Clint

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...
That's how much you know about me. I don't sign leases.

'Doc wrote:

The only one you can blame for this problem is your
self. You signed the lease...
'Doc

as much as this person defends the jack-booted thugs of HOA's,
there must be something more to it that we don't know, wouldn't
you say?



All part of the fascist-izing of America.. whatever happened to "a man's
home is his castle"?

I can understand where people have a right to not want someone storing a
dozen rusty cars on their front lawn, or allowing their grass to get 3'
tall.. but as far as antennas, etc.. they have no business telling a
homeowner what to do. It's not right that they should be telling people
what color they can paint their house, what kind of plants or animals they
can or cannot have, etc..

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...
That's how much you know about me. I don't sign leases.

'Doc wrote:

The only one you can blame for this problem is your
self. You signed the lease...
'Doc

as much as this person defends the jack-booted thugs of HOA's,
there must be something more to it that we don't know, wouldn't
you say?



All part of the fascist-izing of America.. whatever happened to "a man's
home is his castle"?

I can understand where people have a right to not want someone storing a
dozen rusty cars on their front lawn, or allowing their grass to get 3'
tall.. but as far as antennas, etc.. they have no business telling a
homeowner what to do. It's not right that they should be telling people
what color they can paint their house, what kind of plants or animals they
can or cannot have, etc..


Brenda obviously never had a neighbor whose hobby was arc-welding hot-rod
chassis from 6PM till midnight, or who thought having a few roosters was
cute, or who installed a couple of 55-gallon drums in their backyard so that
they could burn the insulation off of (likely stolen) wire to reclaim the
copper, or who painted their house purple and pink, or whose brother &
significant other lived in a 5-level treehouse overlooking her back yard for
two years. (BTW, Tarzan & Jane actually complained about RFI to their boom
box from my all-band vertical!) All these antics happened in the last 20
years to me. However, as I don't appreciate CC&R's, and the Bulgarian border
guard mentality of those who enforce them, I try to overlook my neighbors'
eccentricities. And I have no sympathy for anyone who contracts into a CC&R
situation, and then expects special dispensation for themselves.

Ed
WB6WSN

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Jim Higgins" wrote:

It limits you to antennas 1 meter in diameter
or across the diagonal. No 6-ele 20M beams
here.


No, it doesn't have that limit. The first paragraph describes antennas
for
satellite services and the second paragraph describes antennas for video
programming services. The third paragraph...

(3) An antenna that is designed to receive
local television broadcast signals. Masts
higher than 12 feet above the roofline may
be subject to local permitting requirements.

...describes antennas for broadcast television and no size limit is
described (only the height limit). By the way, a large 20M beam should
receive broadcast television fairly nicely (with a little hardware to cut
out the television while transmitting).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Read the rest of the ruling. It defines that the antenna may be located only
in your private area (patio, balcony), not in the public or mutually owned
areas (roof, outside wall). This makes it none too helpful for apartment and
condo dwellers. Accept it; there are some hobbies that are incompatible with
high-density dwellings.

Ed
WB6WSN

Wow, a refreshing ray of truth and logic shines thru the smog.
Why indeed would someone agree to something they did not intend to abide by?

(excluding all women, of course)

Willee


"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Pappy127,
You are absolutely right! I don't know anything
about you.
The point being, that if you sign an agreement with
the knowledge that you do not intend to abide by that
agreement, then you shouldn't be upset when you are
penalized for breaking the agreement. Is that so hard
to understand?
'Doc