"Dennis Kaylor" wrote:

what i dont understand is if you guys
dont like the deed restrictions you are
legally free not to sign the deed and
move to another area why should the
federal government step in and tell
some city or housing community that
the CONTRACT you knowingly
and willing signed is worthless (snip)


Dennis, either you don't live in a town like this or CC&Rs simply haven't
reached your community yet. The major industry in this town is tourism.
Because of that, any house built within the last twenty years has a CC&R
antenna restriction. Even worse, real estate agencies, hoping to cash in on
the tourist trade, have purchased most of the older properties, adding CC&Rs
antenna restrictions to those. At this point, unless one is willing to move
twenty to thirty miles outside the area, CC&Rs antenna restrictions have
become an almost inescapable fact of life. Perhaps you consider that
acceptable. However, I don't happen to think people should have to move
miles away from work, schools, or shopping, just to have an antenna. And,
indeed, many people are not going to do so - which means they will simply
have to give up radio as a hobby or recreation instead.


you guys and your wives all want the
nice classy neighborhoods and gated
communities with the fine trimmed lawns
and lexus in every driveway but you
think your special cause you want to
have an outside antenna (snip)


Obviously CC&R antenna restrictions haven't reached your community yet.
We're not just talking about gated communities or luxury properties. In this
area, these restrictions can be found on even the cheapest properties.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:40:16 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

As has been pointed out almost innumerable times already. Did you just
discover this thread? grin

Oh well, I haven't put my 2 cents in yet, so I might as well do it
now.

While I kind of agree with the "...if you dont think you like it, then
don't sign it" philosophy, I think the restrictions are often carried
beyond the realm of common sense. A fairly inconspicous rooftop
antenna, a window in your grage, or an untattered flag on your porch
is a far cry from putting a rusted out RV on your front lawn for
storage shed, allowing your lawn to grow high enough to hide in, or
painting your house "Shocking Pink with Turquoise Trim." g Of
course, I said a fairly inconspicous rooftop antenna, *not* a 50'
backyard tower with an monster multiband Yagi...

Then again, it's not the actual restrictive covenants themselves that
I'm against. The fascist attitudes of many HOA board members alone
makes me refuse to even consider buying a property in such a
community. Not to mention the the "stuck-up" antisocial mentality of
many of the homeowners who would be my neighbors.

I don't need restrictive covenants to keep neighbors from becoming
nuisances, either. There are nearly always local laws and ordinances
dealing with noise, nuisance and safety and health, and agencies that
do enforce them.

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own. I'm satisfied with
democracy and the spirit of *responsible freedom* that makes America
great. Just keep your HOA's out of my *free* neighborhood.

73

jack


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"Jack" wrote in message
...

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own.

I agree with your assessment of HOAs. They are usually worse that the
government with all their rules and regulations. However, I also find it
sickening that grown adults will enter into a contract and then whine about
not being able to violate the contract. With covenants, the rules are not
weighted. They are all equal. If someone put up an antenna and I or
someone else complained and they made an 'exception', then I would quit
cutting my grass and get a lawyer (if I had too) for my exception. I think
many of these problems come from areas where housing costs to damn much. I
live in the Indy area. Rural homes can be had for $100K for decent to $140K
and you can get a lot of that. The only thing is that you will have to
drive 10 miles to a mall and restaurants. That is why a lot of people
complain because they want to have their cake and eat it too. If every
addition in the yuppie suburban county near 'x' city has covenants....DO NOT
LIVE THERE!! If ham and short-wave is that important in your life, get a
Honda and just put up with the extra 10 miles you have to drive to work. I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!). However, 1/4 mile away on some of
the older farm homes...antennas would be bad at all.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:22:55 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:

snip

I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!).

I take it that you don't have anti-antenna covenants in your
neighborhood. Why don't you simply move to a closed-gate community
where the antennas you don't like are restricted instead of being an a
total jerkazoid?

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

-jack-

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:40:16 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

The point: Many times it's not possible to purchase a home any where
near work, or schools, or convenient shopping without finding
restrictive CC&Rs. For instance in California you quite conceivably
might find it necessary to move a 100 miles to find such an area.
It's my understanding that there are a great many restrictions on
antennas in Florida.

Here? These are ordinances, not CC&Rs, I have to keep my grass mowed,
I can not keep cars up on blocks. I can not park a mobile home along
side the house for more than a couple months. I can not leave a motor
home parked in the driveway, or along side the house for more than a
couple of months, but I can build a garage big enough to park it
inside. I can not build a separate garage or shop larger than my
home. Virtually any major repair requires a building permit. There are
restrictions on outside antennas *except* for hams. "In recognition
for the service provided to the community" there are no restrictions
on ham antennas, but there are safety regulations. I have to abide by
the "set back" rules the same as anyone else and towers taller than 80
feet require a building permit and must be properly engineered. Using
the engineering data in the ROHN catalog is permitted.

We (hams) have a very good working relationship with the county. When
they built their new Law Enforcement Center the Emergency Operations
Center in it included a ham station. The mobile EOC van also has a
ham station built in. These are not just 2-meter FM mobiles either.

In addition, we are working on small, limited range portable repeaters
for voice, data, and video in conjunction with the EOC.

Some years back I served as the communications for one of the
evacuation centers when a train with some really nasty stuff, derailed
quite some distance away. That operation took a lot of hams as the
evacuation area was quite large. We were fortunate that the wind
pretty much favored us, but it changed enough that the shelter where I
was located had to be moved *in a hurry*. (I now carry a gas mask
in my kit) Moving a whole bunch of people who have just been awakened
at 2 AM, through a cloud of *stuff* that makes it difficult to breathe
and very limited visibility is an experience.

Where is here? Homer Township, Midland County Michigan.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...
We (hams) have a very good working relationship with the county. When
they built their new Law Enforcement Center the Emergency Operations
Center in it included a ham station. The mobile EOC van also has a
ham station built in. These are not just 2-meter FM mobiles either.

In addition, we are working on small, limited range portable repeaters
for voice, data, and video in conjunction with the EOC.

Some years back I served as the communications for one of the
evacuation centers when a train with some really nasty stuff, derailed
quite some distance away. That operation took a lot of hams as the
evacuation area was quite large. We were fortunate that the wind
pretty much favored us, but it changed enough that the shelter where I
was located had to be moved *in a hurry*. (I now carry a gas mask
in my kit) Moving a whole bunch of people who have just been awakened
at 2 AM, through a cloud of *stuff* that makes it difficult to breathe
and very limited visibility is an experience.

And therein lies the major difference. Whereas it is not a 'mandate' in the
true sense of the word, it has long been a standing relationship between
amateur radio ops and the local, state and federal authorities that hams
perform essential communications and other assistance during times of
emergency. (this is why, among other things, ham plates are not considered
vanity plates in most, if not all, states). And these towers and arrays are
important to the facilitation of those emergency communications.

WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours. Your starting to sound like your on the board of some HOA who
enjoys telling their neighbors what they can and cannot do on THEIR
property.

People that purchase a nice house for let's say 200,000+ are not going
to have some junk vehicle sitting in their yard, paint the house bright
pink, etc.. Most HOA's require you to hook up to (how is getting the
kick back)cable, they don't want even the 18" dishes. Well they finally
have lost out on that one. That's only the start.

Trespassers will be dealt with according to the law. That includes HOA
COPS.

Midwest Kid wrote:

wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

CC&R's and HOA's are seldom formed AFTER one buys their house. Their
rules are seldom set in concrete either. When you buy a house the
CC&R's and/or the HOA is right there before you. Read it's terms. If
you don't agree-don't buy. Simple. If they're not soooo bad then join
knowing you can get involved by going to the board meetings and
raising hell. Become a board member forchrissakes. You may not be able
to change things but you can certainly make the vain attempt.
H

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:09:12 -0500, wrote:

WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours. Your starting to sound like your on the board of some HOA who
enjoys telling their neighbors what they can and cannot do on THEIR
property.

People that purchase a nice house for let's say 200,000+ are not going
to have some junk vehicle sitting in their yard, paint the house bright
pink, etc.. Most HOA's require you to hook up to (how is getting the
kick back)cable, they don't want even the 18" dishes. Well they finally
have lost out on that one. That's only the start.

Trespassers will be dealt with according to the law. That includes HOA
COPS.

Midwest Kid wrote:

wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

Retired Teacher, Terrible Mechanic, Worse Plumber!
LPFM Page: http://home.att.net/~optcamel/fmradio.htm

wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not right.