"Brian" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
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Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She
is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating,
word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or
less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official
bulletin station?


Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it
to
change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not
consider
differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting
them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can
change
the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect
the
opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in
any
organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt
it.
Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if
you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap,
blah blah.

The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they
start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just
their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way.

There you show how out of date you are. In recent years, the ARRL has
shifted to a neutral stand on CW. Their efforts have indeed been centered
on more important issues. What policies do you think the ARRL should be
focusing on? They have to pick and choose. And again they have to pick the
issues that the majority of their members want not the minority and not
non-members. If they don't, they'll be voted out of office and someone will
be put in who will do it that way.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Brian" wrote in message
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Were you in the majority?? If not then why should everyone else change
to
suit you.

The FCC spoke. And what they spoke was not ARRL majority opinion.

What do you make of that, Dee?

Very simple. The ARRL only has the power to lobby. They cannot force the
FCC to go along with the ARRL opinion.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Brian" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then
report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big
they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.

Ok where is the money going?? You said they dump it into salaries thus
implying that said salaries are artificially inflated and then indicate that
you don't think the salaries are too high. Which is it? Facts please, not
emotional innuendo.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.


Are you saying that I'm a sucker?

Don't think so. I'm a member too.


2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -


World peace?

I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled
peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA

Mike Coslo wrote:
I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled
peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA

Finally something I can relate to in rec.radio.cb . Homegrown
peas and butter. Mmmmm!

Thanks for sharing this thread with us CBer's.

I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

Mike Coslo wrote:
Brian wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory.
They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want
to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does
for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more
about hams than it does the ARRL.



Are you saying that I'm a sucker?


Don't think so. I'm a member too.



2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's
of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was
no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -



World peace?


I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled
peas some time.

- Mike KB3EIA

sideband wrote:

I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

I like it!!

- mike KB3EIA -

sideband wrote:
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny,
But it keeps them on my knife.

-SSB

Yum Yum, I like it.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
Why limit any exclusion to just the
church building, parking lot, and parish?
Since churches have been running schools,
colleges, homeless shelters, women and
youth shelters, food kitchens, youth camps
and sports activities, hospitals, nursing
homes, and so on, for many years (some
long before this country was created and
each requiring buildings, land, or equipment),
such a limit would have a serious impact on
many traditional church activities.

If we are going all the way on separation of
church and state, why should they get any
special status beyond what other non-profit
organization would get?


There is very little special special status involved. Every non-profit
organization can write off the costs for buildings, land, facilities,
equipment, personnel, and so on. Any remaining special status, and again
there is very little, is covered by the "free exercise thereof" clause of
the First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting the
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..."

In my opinion, we cannot "go all the way on separation of church and
state" without violating the "free excercise thereof" clause. If anyone were
to argue to ignore the "free excercise thereof" clause, others could just as
easily argue to ignore the "establishment of religion" clause. Luckily, both
clauses exist and people who truly believe in the Bill of Rights should
honor and defend both. Many people are not doing so today.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

And what efforts did you make to convert the majority of members to your
point of view?? While the items you list are worthy activities, they don't
do much to change policy.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee, what ARRL office(s) do you hold in your effort to stem the tide
of changes within the ARS? If your answer is "none," I suggest you
start campaigning yesterday.