KT,

I just did the Math and at a possible 216 Pills a Day.
Several Hundred Pills in a Weekend would be a Fair Statement.
( So You Were Right - KT :o)


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+ + + Don't Reply To Them [.]


Here is "Something-To-Remember":
When You are Opening a Can of Worms.
Whether they are Dead? -or- Alive?
All You are Going to Get is Worms [.]


yiosd ~ RHF
= = = Yikes, I'm One Scary Dude :o)
..
..
= = = Ken Thomas
= = = wrote in message . ..
On 25 Dec 2003 00:08:22 -0800, (RHF) wrote:

kt, Kt. KT !

"KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a
weekend
- several hundred
- think about it."

OBTW: "KW" I like Your Style: AKA: th "-s" :o)



I just did the math. Maybe too much of an assumption so I stand
corrected on the amount per weekend.

Here's the quote helping me draw my conclusion.

"Limbaugh's former housekeeper claimed she helped the radio host buy
30,000 hydrocodone, Lorcet and OxyContin pills from black-market
suppliers between 1998 and 2002".

I assumed about an average of 150 a week. Then I figured he probably
got worse -- meaning he started out slowly and started taking ever
increasing amounts. So I was thinking he may have did 20 or so a week
in the beginning and then by the end of things was probably up to a
few hundred a week. Most likely taking those on the weekend when he
wasn't working.

No liberal spin. No conspiracy. Just a logical conclusion. Or so I
thought. Wow RHF - you're message is scary. The kt, Kt. KT! thing
and the nose growing comment and all the dashes, quotes, arrows and
symbols. Yikes dude.


..

"RHF" wrote in message
om...
FD,

Lets Do The Math (LDTM):

Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.)

Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X)

Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers:
= Base Dose 200 mg
= OverDose 1800 mg
= "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)

Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills
1. Maximum of Six Pills
2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X)
3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)
TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose.

WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN !
(He Is Still Alive - Wow !)


waef... ~ RHF
= When All Else Fails...
= = Take Off Your Shoes
= = = And Count Your Toes !
.


I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough for you. I never intended to imply each
of the supposed hundreds of pills was a narcotic. My original thoughts
are in quotes. :

"The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in
a
weekend aren't inconceiveable."

Note the word "pills" sits bare in the sentance, without any qualifiers.
Rush certainly was taking oxycontin. He's admitted as much. I'm open
to the possiblity he was taking other pills as well. Note the weenie
words "aren't inconceiveable.". I really have no idea how many pills
Rush was taking. Well, I know he was taking more than his doctor wanted
him to.


" It would take a fistful of 10 mg
oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. "

This is speculation. I have no idea which pill doses Rush was getting
illegally. The website says 40 mg tablets are the most commonly abused,
but I don't know if drug addicts get real picky about getting a
particular dose. Anyway, if Rush really was taking hundreds of pills
over a weekend, there could have been plenty of less restricted drugs in
the mix.


"I suppose
Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs.
Elvis did. "

Again, this is speculation. As I understand, opiates have some nasty
side effects including depressed heart rate, depressed resperation and
constipation. A drug addict may try to counter act these side effects
with other drugs. Anyway, Elvis was the first guy who crossed my mind
when Rush's drug addiction came up in the news.


"Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other
stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do."

A drug addict may load up on the vitamins and minerals to help fight
liver toxicity. He might even think the more vitamins and minerals, the
better.


This is all speculation. But it's far firmer speculation than the idea
that it would be impossible for Rush to have taken hundreds of pills
over a weekend.

I never claimed that Rush took hundreds of pills over a weekend,
although it's at least possible. I certainly never implied that Rush
took hundreds of oxycontin pills over a weekend. I don't mind making
that point more clear, but I don't know how it got lost in the first
place. This was one of those times I tried to write in clear and
concise English, and I don't think I was particularly murky.

Maybe the point got lost in a language barrier. I took Spanish back in
High School, and I didn't do particularly well. Languages have been
difficult for me. There must be a dozen languages I'd like to learn as
a SWL. Then, after I master those, I might take up "Illustrated
English".

Frank Dresser

Soliloquy wrote in message . 44...

As the jobs flow overseas, (yes, yes, Mr. Bush is increasingly to blame
for this as well)

The only jobs GW has sent overseas in the US Army.

From: "Stinger"


That's what was said in the thread by you and your buddies -- you moron.
Have someone read it to you.

Could you please quote where 'I' said that one's political orientation is
directly related to their respect of "law and order"? And what "buddies" are
you speaking of, o' wordless one?

If you can't, or if you won't even give us your weird twist on how you can make
such an interpretation, I guess you could just openly admit what a moron you
are!

Explicate, sir, because you desperately need to eschew obfuscation.
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

From: (Brian)

The only jobs GW has sent overseas in the US Army.

GW has outsourced Republican telemarketing for contributions to call centers in
India. He has refused to take a stance against any outsourcing.

Really.

Ken Thomas wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:57:16 GMT, "Ross Archer" wrote:

Do I
misunderstand? Is there any value in jailing someone for becoming addicted to
pain medication, after he sought rehab? Any value at all??? I thought not. No
deterrent value. No rehabilitation value. Huge negative costs.

Is there any value in throwing a confessed sex offender in jail?
After they sought help a few times? Any value at all? Can't deter a
sex offender right? Can they be rehabilitated? Costs?

That's ridiculous. Putting aside the huge difference in degree of
these two crimes -- in your example, there's a clear, unwilling VICTIM
and clear harm, and in Rush's case, whatever harm was done, he did to
himself.

There is no point in discussing such idiotically unconnected examples.

More appropriate would be discussing how to punish those who refuse to
wear seatbelts or insist on smoking. THESE are comparable examples.

Besides, there are stupid laws that violate higher principles. Until
recently, there were actually laws to dictate what consenting adults
were allowed to do in bed, if you can believe that! Wasting valuable
resources that could educate kids, vaccinate poor children, or add
cops to the beat, or incarcerate truly dangerous criminals, to
incarcerate some guy who takes some pills and harms HIMSELF is truly
idiotic, as are arguments supporting such action.

It's obvious to anyone who actually thinks it out.



It's not a question of liberal/conservative values.

No, but it may be a question of reasonable people vs. "wacko" values.

I'm absolutely certain that Barry Goldwater, no liberal by any stretch
of the imagination, would agree with me on principles of liberty.
Where you're coming from -- that laws should be enforced regardless of
whether they're wrong -- is just wacko.

It's pure wackosity to jail someone for abusing perscription drugs
unless you can prove they were driving around under their influence,
or otherwise endangering others by taking them.

Ignoring unjust laws is no vice. Enforcing unjust laws is no virtue.
;)

Who could give a
flying F about how those ideals apply to this argument. If a law was
broken - pay the consequences. If not - no problem. If anything,
he's not a victim of his politics - just a victim of being famous.

As much as Rush's politics irritate me, I beg to differ. I think it's
exactly a politically-motivated attack. When's the last time a famous
movie star was prosecuted criminally for pill abuse? It's not fame,
it's scoring political points off an opponent.

Like I said, it's not hard to take Rush down, but do so on based on
his blatant hypocrisy rather than by violating his rights.


Regards.

The only jobs GW has sent overseas in the US Army.

GW has outsourced Republican telemarketing for contributions to call
centers in
India. He has refused to take a stance against any outsourcing.

PROVE IT.

MWB,

"Only a extremist would really believe that one's desire for
law and order is determined by their political perspective."

Only an EXTREMIST would call another person an "Extremist".

A more Moderate Person would call them "Over Opinionated" :o)

Butt Hey, Thats Just My Opinion !

fditkotm ~ RHF
= = = From Deep in the Kingdom of the Mushrooms.
..
..
= = = ojunk (Michael Bryant)
= = = wrote in message ...
From: "Stinger"

Wow... "Law and Order" liberals!



Only a extremist would really believe that one's desire for law and order is
determined by their political perspective.

Stop trolling on Christmas, you moron.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

..

"FD"

The reply was NOT met to be any implication of the any misstatement on
your part and you in fact did communicate your thoughts and ideas very
well.

When I post to a topic here that is not related to Radios and
Antennas.
I tend to treat the post as an exercise in the absurd.

Maybe, my Tag Line
waef... ~ RHF
= When All Else Fails...
= = Take Off Your Shoes
= = = And Count Your Toes !

Should have Read
waef... ~ RHF
= When All Else Fails...
= = "I" Take Off Your Shoes
= = = And Count "MY" Toes !


All the World Needs is love, Love. LOVE !
TBL: Love Me. -or- Love to Hate Me.


irs... ~ RHF
= = = I Remain Simply... A Real Happy Fella !
..
..
= = = "Frank Dresser"
= = = wrote in message ...
"RHF" wrote in message
om...
FD,

Lets Do The Math (LDTM):

Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.)

Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X)

Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers:
= Base Dose 200 mg
= OverDose 1800 mg
= "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)

Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills
1. Maximum of Six Pills
2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X)
3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)
TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose.

WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN !
(He Is Still Alive - Wow !)


waef... ~ RHF
= When All Else Fails...
= = Take Off Your Shoes
= = = And Count Your Toes !
.


I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough for you. I never intended to imply each
of the supposed hundreds of pills was a narcotic. My original thoughts
are in quotes. :

"The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in
a
weekend aren't inconceiveable."

Note the word "pills" sits bare in the sentance, without any qualifiers.
Rush certainly was taking oxycontin. He's admitted as much. I'm open
to the possiblity he was taking other pills as well. Note the weenie
words "aren't inconceiveable.". I really have no idea how many pills
Rush was taking. Well, I know he was taking more than his doctor wanted
him to.


" It would take a fistful of 10 mg
oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. "

This is speculation. I have no idea which pill doses Rush was getting
illegally. The website says 40 mg tablets are the most commonly abused,
but I don't know if drug addicts get real picky about getting a
particular dose. Anyway, if Rush really was taking hundreds of pills
over a weekend, there could have been plenty of less restricted drugs in
the mix.


"I suppose
Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs.
Elvis did. "

Again, this is speculation. As I understand, opiates have some nasty
side effects including depressed heart rate, depressed resperation and
constipation. A drug addict may try to counter act these side effects
with other drugs. Anyway, Elvis was the first guy who crossed my mind
when Rush's drug addiction came up in the news.


"Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other
stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do."

A drug addict may load up on the vitamins and minerals to help fight
liver toxicity. He might even think the more vitamins and minerals, the
better.


This is all speculation. But it's far firmer speculation than the idea
that it would be impossible for Rush to have taken hundreds of pills
over a weekend.

I never claimed that Rush took hundreds of pills over a weekend,
although it's at least possible. I certainly never implied that Rush
took hundreds of oxycontin pills over a weekend. I don't mind making
that point more clear, but I don't know how it got lost in the first
place. This was one of those times I tried to write in clear and
concise English, and I don't think I was particularly murky.

Maybe the point got lost in a language barrier. I took Spanish back in
High School, and I didn't do particularly well. Languages have been
difficult for me. There must be a dozen languages I'd like to learn as
a SWL. Then, after I master those, I might take up "Illustrated
English".

Frank Dresser

I don't think he's being charged for abusing the drugs. I think he's
getting in trouble for how he obtained them. Hey, I agree with a lot
of the things you're saying. Drug use probably can't be changed with
jail time. I hope the guy gets better. It'll be a tough habit to
kick.



On 26 Dec 2003 10:41:59 -0800, (Ross Archer) wrote:

Ken Thomas wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:57:16 GMT, "Ross Archer" wrote:

Do I
misunderstand? Is there any value in jailing someone for becoming addicted to
pain medication, after he sought rehab? Any value at all??? I thought not. No
deterrent value. No rehabilitation value. Huge negative costs.

Is there any value in throwing a confessed sex offender in jail?
After they sought help a few times? Any value at all? Can't deter a
sex offender right? Can they be rehabilitated? Costs?

That's ridiculous. Putting aside the huge difference in degree of
these two crimes -- in your example, there's a clear, unwilling VICTIM
and clear harm, and in Rush's case, whatever harm was done, he did to
himself.

There is no point in discussing such idiotically unconnected examples.

More appropriate would be discussing how to punish those who refuse to
wear seatbelts or insist on smoking. THESE are comparable examples.

Besides, there are stupid laws that violate higher principles. Until
recently, there were actually laws to dictate what consenting adults
were allowed to do in bed, if you can believe that! Wasting valuable
resources that could educate kids, vaccinate poor children, or add
cops to the beat, or incarcerate truly dangerous criminals, to
incarcerate some guy who takes some pills and harms HIMSELF is truly
idiotic, as are arguments supporting such action.

It's obvious to anyone who actually thinks it out.



It's not a question of liberal/conservative values.

No, but it may be a question of reasonable people vs. "wacko" values.

I'm absolutely certain that Barry Goldwater, no liberal by any stretch
of the imagination, would agree with me on principles of liberty.
Where you're coming from -- that laws should be enforced regardless of
whether they're wrong -- is just wacko.

It's pure wackosity to jail someone for abusing perscription drugs
unless you can prove they were driving around under their influence,
or otherwise endangering others by taking them.

Ignoring unjust laws is no vice. Enforcing unjust laws is no virtue.
;)

Who could give a
flying F about how those ideals apply to this argument. If a law was
broken - pay the consequences. If not - no problem. If anything,
he's not a victim of his politics - just a victim of being famous.

As much as Rush's politics irritate me, I beg to differ. I think it's
exactly a politically-motivated attack. When's the last time a famous
movie star was prosecuted criminally for pill abuse? It's not fame,
it's scoring political points off an opponent.

Like I said, it's not hard to take Rush down, but do so on based on
his blatant hypocrisy rather than by violating his rights.


Regards.