What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

Sidchase3 wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

The FCC ban on domestic broadcasting will have to be junked first. I
think that if a station like WBCQ came along owned by somebody who had a
lot of money to challenge the domestic broadcasting ban in court
(resources Allan Weiner doesn't have) the Supreme Court would have to
rule the ban unconstitutional. Right now American SW stations are just
sort of ignoring the ban and the FCC has taken a don't ask don't tell
attitude. Nobody's actually challenged the ban in court, mainly because
it would take millions for legal fees.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't
like that.

Many nations censor the internet or severely limit access. Fidel Castro
recently ruled that only people approved by the Cuban govt (ie him) can
access the internet in Cuba. China has extensive limits on the internet
too. We all know the famous quote that the network interprets censorship
as damage and routes around it, well that's not entirely true.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

I think the main problem is that the components to make such a reciever
are so expensive that it automatically prices the radio at $150 or
above. When the price of the components goes down, radios such as this
will become feasible.

The serious flaw in this is that shortwave stations, by FCC regulation, can
not target a domestic audience. They are required to use directional
antennas beamed outside the country and advertising that is only in the
interest of a domestic entity is prohibited.

"Sidchase3" wrote in message
news:20040121100637.17062.00000521@mb- It's my opinion that what shortwave
lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station
and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought.
Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just
overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and
views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to
own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent
corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or
socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all
sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's,
some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access
to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations
don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples
hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

"Jeff Wilson" wrote in message
om...
What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10,
50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the
ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be
there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory
bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good
long
time.

That's right. There's a huge amount of worldwide bandwidth now. SW is
a tiny unreliable sliver these days. But I think bureaucratic inertia
will keep the frequency allocations pretty much as they are for the time
being.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I
can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me
by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California



Radio hobbyists will still use SW in 100 years! There are few
commercial sailing ships anymore, but there might now be more people who
actually enjoy getting on a sailboat than ever before. The same could
be said about horses, or steam locomotives or hand made furniture.

Frank Dresser

JW,

While GM could promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on 'one'
Single Powerful Shortwave Station. (NOTE: It does not.)

GM does promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on hundreds
of 'local' AM/FM Stations. Plus 'local' GM Dealers also use
local AM/FM Stations to promote GM Cars and Trucks.

The current AM/FM/TV Station Broadcast Model helps to build
local business and churn more money within the local economy.

All Politics are Local and our US Representatives and US Senators
plus our State and Local Elected Representatives are interested
in a thriving "Local Economy." The FCC Does What Congress Permits.

The National Economy is actual Hundreds of Regional Economies
make up of Hundreds of 'local' Economies.

WHATS GOOD FOR BUSINESS IS GOOD FOR AM/FM/TV BROADCASTING IN THE USA [.]

Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting 'exists' to
fill a limited business (social) need.

If the FCC did not WANT (allow) [Nation Wide] Non-Domestic Shortwave
Broadcasting then Dr Gene Scott and many others would be off the air.

With the Advent of Domestic XM and Sirius 'direct' Satellite Radio
Broadcasting; over time more domestic "Nation Wide" Broadcasting
will develop for that media.

TBL: Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting in Ten (10)
to Fifty (50) Years will be what it is Today a Business Operating
within its Limited Market.


~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Jeff Wilson"
= = = wrote in message . com...
What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California

"RHF" wrote in message
om...
JW,

While GM could promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on 'one'
Single Powerful Shortwave Station. (NOTE: It does not.)

GM does promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on hundreds
of 'local' AM/FM Stations. Plus 'local' GM Dealers also use
local AM/FM Stations to promote GM Cars and Trucks.

The current AM/FM/TV Station Broadcast Model helps to build
local business and churn more money within the local economy.

All Politics are Local and our US Representatives and US Senators
plus our State and Local Elected Representatives are interested
in a thriving "Local Economy." The FCC Does What Congress Permits.

The National Economy is actual Hundreds of Regional Economies
make up of Hundreds of 'local' Economies.

WHATS GOOD FOR BUSINESS IS GOOD FOR AM/FM/TV BROADCASTING IN THE USA
[.]

Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting 'exists' to
fill a limited business (social) need.

If the FCC did not WANT (allow) [Nation Wide] Non-Domestic Shortwave
Broadcasting then Dr Gene Scott and many others would be off the air.

With the Advent of Domestic XM and Sirius 'direct' Satellite Radio
Broadcasting; over time more domestic "Nation Wide" Broadcasting
will develop for that media.

TBL: Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting in Ten (10)
to Fifty (50) Years will be what it is Today a Business Operating
within its Limited Market.


~ RHF
.
GM promotes it's cars nationwide on nationwide TV programming.

Car ads on radio are usually sponsored by a dealer or a dealer's
association.

There isn't much nationwide programming on radio anymore. When there
was, there was also nationwide radio advertising.

I don't see how much of this resulted from any deliberate government
policy.

Frank Dresser

So what is Sirius and XM?

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:02:49 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"RHF" wrote in message
. com...
JW,

While GM could promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on 'one'
Single Powerful Shortwave Station. (NOTE: It does not.)

GM does promote its Cars and Trucks "Nation Wide" on hundreds
of 'local' AM/FM Stations. Plus 'local' GM Dealers also use
local AM/FM Stations to promote GM Cars and Trucks.

The current AM/FM/TV Station Broadcast Model helps to build
local business and churn more money within the local economy.

All Politics are Local and our US Representatives and US Senators
plus our State and Local Elected Representatives are interested
in a thriving "Local Economy." The FCC Does What Congress Permits.

The National Economy is actual Hundreds of Regional Economies
make up of Hundreds of 'local' Economies.

WHATS GOOD FOR BUSINESS IS GOOD FOR AM/FM/TV BROADCASTING IN THE USA
[.]

Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting 'exists' to
fill a limited business (social) need.

If the FCC did not WANT (allow) [Nation Wide] Non-Domestic Shortwave
Broadcasting then Dr Gene Scott and many others would be off the air.

With the Advent of Domestic XM and Sirius 'direct' Satellite Radio
Broadcasting; over time more domestic "Nation Wide" Broadcasting
will develop for that media.

TBL: Non-Domestic [Nation Wide] Shortwave Broadcasting in Ten (10)
to Fifty (50) Years will be what it is Today a Business Operating
within its Limited Market.


~ RHF
.
GM promotes it's cars nationwide on nationwide TV programming.

Car ads on radio are usually sponsored by a dealer or a dealer's
association.

There isn't much nationwide programming on radio anymore. When there
was, there was also nationwide radio advertising.

I don't see how much of this resulted from any deliberate government
policy.

Frank Dresser

"David" wrote in message
...
So what is Sirius and XM?

Right now, sattelite radio only has a small fraction of the nationwide
influence that the networks used to have.

Frank Dresser

Yeah, but you spoke as though all national radio is in the past.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:02:18 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
So what is Sirius and XM?

Right now, sattelite radio only has a small fraction of the nationwide
influence that the networks used to have.

Frank Dresser