What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

Sidchase3 wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

The FCC ban on domestic broadcasting will have to be junked first. I
think that if a station like WBCQ came along owned by somebody who had a
lot of money to challenge the domestic broadcasting ban in court
(resources Allan Weiner doesn't have) the Supreme Court would have to
rule the ban unconstitutional. Right now American SW stations are just
sort of ignoring the ban and the FCC has taken a don't ask don't tell
attitude. Nobody's actually challenged the ban in court, mainly because
it would take millions for legal fees.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't
like that.

Many nations censor the internet or severely limit access. Fidel Castro
recently ruled that only people approved by the Cuban govt (ie him) can
access the internet in Cuba. China has extensive limits on the internet
too. We all know the famous quote that the network interprets censorship
as damage and routes around it, well that's not entirely true.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

I think the main problem is that the components to make such a reciever
are so expensive that it automatically prices the radio at $150 or
above. When the price of the components goes down, radios such as this
will become feasible.

"Jeff Wilson" wrote in message
om...
What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10,
50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the
ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be
there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory
bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good
long
time.

That's right. There's a huge amount of worldwide bandwidth now. SW is
a tiny unreliable sliver these days. But I think bureaucratic inertia
will keep the frequency allocations pretty much as they are for the time
being.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I
can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me
by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California



Radio hobbyists will still use SW in 100 years! There are few
commercial sailing ships anymore, but there might now be more people who
actually enjoy getting on a sailboat than ever before. The same could
be said about horses, or steam locomotives or hand made furniture.

Frank Dresser

The serious flaw in this is that shortwave stations, by FCC regulation, can
not target a domestic audience. They are required to use directional
antennas beamed outside the country and advertising that is only in the
interest of a domestic entity is prohibited.

"Sidchase3" wrote in message
news:20040121100637.17062.00000521@mb- It's my opinion that what shortwave
lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station
and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought.
Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just
overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and
views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to
own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent
corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or
socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all
sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's,
some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access
to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations
don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples
hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to
drive your head that far up your ass.

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
t...

Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point
for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime
HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some
religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or
as
deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations
from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave
is,
just like everyone else.)

Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection!

Leonard


In article ,
(Sidchase3) wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10,
50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the
ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory
bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good
long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I
can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me
by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave
station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought.
Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just
overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and
views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to
own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent
corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or
socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the
Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all
sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's,
some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access
problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access
to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations
don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples
hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

Was that nice CW? If it wasn't for us older guys you younger guys would
not be here.

Your daddy should have been castrated before producing a mouth like
that.

CW wrote:

Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to
drive your head that far up your ass.

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
t...

Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point
for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime
HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some
religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or
as
deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations
from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave
is,
just like everyone else.)

Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection!

Leonard


In article ,
(Sidchase3) wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10,
50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the
ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory
bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good
long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I
can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me
by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave
station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought.
Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just
overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and
views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to
own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent
corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or
socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the
Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all
sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's,
some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access
problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access
to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations
don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples
hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

Look at this fool's previous postings. You'll see my point.
"Walt" "Walter wrote in message
...
Was that nice CW? If it wasn't for us older guys you younger guys would
not be here.

Your daddy should have been castrated before producing a mouth like
that.

CW wrote:

Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to
drive your head that far up your ass.

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
t...

Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot
point
for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining
lifetime
HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and
some
religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people
or
as
deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk
donations
from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what
shortwave
is,
just like everyone else.)

Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection!

Leonard


In article ,
(Sidchase3) wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in
10,
50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the
ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be
there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory
bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good
long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be
a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I
can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed
me
by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good
domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming
that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave
station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of
thought.
Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just
overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the
station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news
and
views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the
ability to
own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent
corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or
socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the
Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are
all
sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be
NGO's,
some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access
problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse
access
to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy.
Corporations
don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples
hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of
digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

Leonard Martin wrote:


Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point
for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime
HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some
religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or as
deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations
from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave is,
just like everyone else.)

Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection!

I think that with the US govt tightening laws against hacking that
there's potential for teenage boys to go back into amateur radio. They
could even use SSTV to transmit Naughty Nurse photos. Other than
that, SW still has potential as a tool of propaganda. I heard that the
US is going to boost Arabic transmissions from VOA. Also, look at Radio
Free Asia, the Korean clandestines, and warlords in Africa. I DO think
that transmissions in English will decrease, making sources like
Passport and EiBi increasingly important in IDing stations.


Leonard


In article ,
(Sidchase3) wrote:

What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is
right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there.

I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful
interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies
around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long
time.

But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a
vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't
help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by.

Thoughts?

-------------
Jeff Wilson
KG6RIF
Los Angeles, California









It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic
programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that
saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and
it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes,
there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in
their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station
unique.

I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong
viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views
out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own
the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation"
was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially.
Political correctness would take a back seat.

And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan
nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts
of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some
academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem
since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the
particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't
like that.

The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In
an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital
reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the
dissemination of text as well as audio.

Anyway, something to think about.

-Bill

The reason for the ban on domestic broadcasting in the United States
is that the feds tend to be afraid of the attributes of shortwave and
the ability to transmit across an entire nation. They want Clear
Channel to own all the domestic broadcasters so they can broadcast
what they "approve of"

Even though WBCQ isn't transmitting "domestically," it's still mostly
listened to by people in the US.