"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave

I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------

Here's a repost from alt.fan.art-bell
Says it all VERY WELL!

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"fc045" wrote in message
ink.net...

Noory finally stands up to the fraud$

Remember when Art Bell tried to scare us ****less by bringing on guests
who
predicted the end of the world then actively
selecting which guests he would label on his fraud "list" he would never
have on his show again? He continually
ditched guests and "friends" in a lame attempt to bring integrity to the
show yet only interested in saving his own butt. Things
came to a head when he spooked the Heaven's Gate cult members to kill
themselves. Art was never the wildly alarmist
hit-and-runner like his guests, at least apparently. Whitley ****ter and
Ed
Damn-you-all-to-h*ll we all know are on his team.
They write "collaborative" books like bargian trash bin "superstorm" and
call themselves prophets vs. the "mainstream" media.
Then Art tells them to shut up on end of the world ultimatims and even
Dames
relented that his death prophecies could with .00000001%
chance be "averted" with enough "positive" thinking by Coast listeners.

First there was Nigel Cawler or someone who couldn't come up with the UFO
landing specifics, and Art got "impatient" and knocked him
off after the break in 1996. Follow up to the heady days with the Hale
Bopp
"companion" kept people awake with deathwatch pulses. Then
Art dumped the Reverse Speech guy. Courtney Brown was next. Later on it
was
the guy who lit "flares" in the nevada desert where an old lady in
a wheelchair had traveled there spending hundreds of dollars to see a UFO.

Finally, Noory couldn't stand it anymore. Night after night, he had to
have
the frauds sell their books and videos and make excuses for them.
And now he finally broke with "Wayne Greene" and the "vision-1979" man
tonight-morning. What a schmuck the vision man is saying 97% of
the world's population is going to die in Sept. (read 5.9+ billion people
wasted just like that). If vision-man cared so much for humanity
why doesn't he just offer his information free on his website? At least
put
up a pay-pal donation option like Hoaxland does now.

At least Hoaxland is entertaining. And he's quick on his feet especially
with the scientific stuff. Hoaxie should be a NASA administrator instead
of the lazybum desk pushers in charge of NASA now.

But all the other "end of the world" pushers of their video and books, I'd
say Noory continue and throw them all out if Art won't do it.

(10 million listeners. If only .01% scared ****less listeners bought into
the bunk, that's 1000 people who buy $20-$100 books or video tapes
making a hefty $20,000-$100,000 from 1 night of advertising! This must go
through every bull****ters mind who's lucky or glib enough to
get a guest spot on C2C. No wonder Noory has to reign it in finally. C2C
has
become whose the best bull****ter who can come up with the
best spiel and promote books/tapes so listeners can "learn more". C2C has
become the "Who wants to be a millionare" of the airwaves, or
any of thos "reality" shows which always feature a lame $100,000+ prize at
the end of the season.

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"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave

73 failed because of the "dumbing down" of ham radio. I started
subscribing to 73 and Ham Radio, remember that one, because of their
TECHNICAL content and projects. I look through my late 70s and 80s
issues and they are just full of projects.
Yes, Wayne was full of himself. Tho sometimes he said things againest
the arrl that needed saying, causing food for thought.
What killed 73 was solid state "sealed" rigs that could not be modified
and the manufacturing of full featured radios cheap by yesterdays
standards making homebrewing economically unreasonable. Why do you think
Heath, Echo and other kit manufactures closed. Back in those days all
rigs had huge wiring harnesses that HAD to be hand soldered. Real labor
intensive. Labor costs now with solid state and "computer" type boards
is actually the least of the manufacturing cost. A complete turn around
from the '70s & '80s time frame.
Hams, for the most part, quit building and experimenting. So 73's and
Ham Radio's meat and potatoes disappeared.

Dave Bushong wrote:
Sedina II wrote:

Wayne Green W2NSD the editor of the former 73 Magazine
and David Booth (2004 Earth Changes) will be George Noorey's
special guest on Coast to Coast AM
Thursday/Friday evening.

On a 1 to 10 scale this show should be a 12 !!

Show info for the above:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/03/18.html

Main: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

See also: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/


Wayne Green. Loser extrordinaire. Failed more ham radio businesses and
magazines than anyone in human history.

I don't want to pay to listen to him, unless I'm writing a book about
"good examples of a bad example".

Dave Bushong wrote in message ...
Wayne Green. Loser extrordinaire. Failed more ham radio businesses and
magazines than anyone in human history.

I don't want to pay to listen to him, unless I'm writing a book about
"good examples of a bad example".
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wayne Green loser? You can like or dislike the guy but making such
idiotic statements like that make you look like, well, an idiot. Below
are some of Mr. Green's accomplishments, loser eh? How about postings
yours Bushog? 7-11 cashier, wal-mart stocker, truck driver, am I
close? Sounds like you are a loser in life who's more than a bit
jealous than anyone who actually has a successful and fulfilling life.
Do society a favor and die asshole.
Melvin

From http://www.waynegreen.com
Who is Wayne Green? I'm a been there done that guy. I have......

piloted a nuclear attack submarine 800 feet under the Pacific ocean.
piloted an Air Force C5B (it's bigger than a 747).
climbed the Great Wall of China
visited the Chinese terra cotta army in Xian.
operated a ham station from the famed American Embassy in Tehran.
operated from the Korean Demilitarized Zone.
operated for two weeks from King's Hussein's palace in Amman, Jordan.
visited the lost city of Petra in Jordan.
scuba dived in the Red Sea.
visited 133 countries (so far).
helped new technologies such as cellular telephones. personal
computers, and compact discs to grow into major industries.
represented the US at an international communications conference.
represented New Hampshire for Governor Sununu at a governor's
conference in Halifax.
served on the New Hampshire Economic Development Commission.
been a president of the Peterborough NH Chamber of Commerce.
been on the board of directors of billion dollar IDG corporation.
been a professional psychologist.
had over 1,000 (long) editorials published - so far.
started first digital communications magazine in 1951, (Amateur Radio
Frontiers).
started the first microcomputer magazine (Byte). )
started the first computer magazine devoted to a single computer (80
Micro - for the TRS-80)
started the first Apple magazine (InCider).
started the first Commodore magazine (Run).
started the first laptop computer magazine (Pico).
started one of the first personal computer software companies (Instant
Software).
opened computer software stores - eventually sold a national chain of
58 stores.
while in college started a broadcasting station (WRPI) which is now
the largest student activity.
served on the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Board of Overseers and
RPI Council.
served as the First Executive in Residence at RPI.
served as a consultant for the RPI Business Incubator - which won the
1996 prize as the best in the country.
been a licensed amateur radio operator as W2NSD since 1940.
pioneered amateur radio repeaters since 1969, starting with WRLAAB on
Mt. Monadnock NH.
established amater radio in Jordan in 1970 and wrote their rules and
regulations.
supplied and installed the first repeater in Jordan, J-Y73, in 1973.
helped radio amateurs pioneer FM, radio Teletype, single sideband, and
slow scan TV.
bounced amateur radio signals off the Moon from the big dish at the
Arecibo Observatory, PR.
been editing and publishing amateur radio magazines for 47 years.
a state-of-the-art digital recording studio.
four record labels and produced over 150 CDs.
helped re-popularize ragtime music and personally knows all of the top
ragtime performers.
started 25 successful publications in the radio, computer and music
fields.
published over 100 books.
wrote one of the first books on digital communications.
been on an African hunting safari.
visited the ruins of Ba'albek in Lebanon, the Queen of Sheba's water
catchments in Aden.
visited the Pyramids, the Sphynx. the ruins in Athens, the Taj Mahal
and Katmandu.
visited the head-hunter longhouses in Sarawak.
helped organize and lead trade groups of around 250 people to yearly
electronic shows in Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
given keynote addresses to radio, educational, computer, and music
conferences.
helped invent a new kind of loud speaker - borrowed $1,000 on my car
to start a manufacturing company and within two and a half years it
became the largest speaker manufacturer in the country with seven
factories.
performed in The Mikado and Pirates of Penzance in high school
served as president of radio clubs in high school and college.
served in Navy 1942-1946 in WWII - electronic technician on USS Drum
SS-228 (which is on display at Mobile, Alabama) for five war patrols.
been a radio engineer and announcer in North Carolina, Florida and
Virginia.
been chief cameraman at WPIX-TV (11) in NYC.
produced and directed network TV shows in Dallas and Cleveland.
a reputation as a gourmet cook.
served as president of Porsche Club of America.
raced my Porsche on the Nurburgring and Solitude race tracks in
Germany.
both driven and navigated in many national SCCA car rallies.
served as a founder and first secretary of American Mensa.
a Ph.D. in Entrepreneurial Science.
lectured on entrepreneurialism at Yale, Boston University, Case
Western, Babson College, RPL and many other colleges.
been on the first commercial airline flight between Philadelphia and
New York in 1927.
flown with father since 1922.
served on the FCC's National Industry Advisory Committee (NIAC).
served on the FCC's Long Range Planning Committee (LRPC).
testified before a Congressional hearing on the music industry.
had the usual toys: airplane, Porsche, yacht, Jaguar, Mercedes 600
Pullman limosine.
worked on a Guggenheim grant on a color organ for the Guggenheim
Museum on 5th Avenue.
graduated Bliss Electrical SchooL Tacoma Padc MD.
attended Radio Materiel School on Treasure Island, San Francisco and
graduated as ETM2/c.
served for five war patrols on SS-228 USS Dnun, made ETMI/c.
taught electronics at Submarine School, New London CT.
organized and run successful mail order Elm Stamp Company at age 12.
sung in St. Pauls Church choir as boy soprano.
sung in Philharmonic Choir of Brooklyn.
sung in Erasmus High School Choral Club.
pioneered the 6-meter ham band as the first New York City station on
that band.
run a 6-meter beacon station for several years in cooperation with the
Radio Amateur Scientific Observations (RASO) program.
for years had a VHF/UHF station on Mt. Monadnock NH; regularly heard
for over 600 miles.
been Excutive Secretary of the Music Research Foundation, Madison
Avenue, N.Y.
worked for GE as a test engineer on Army radio equipment.
been an engineer at Airborne Instrument Laboratories in Mineola NY
developing radar equip.
tried marijuana in 1948 to see what it was like.
tried LSD in 1960 to see what that was like.
drunk with shipmates on liberty while in the Navy. Have seldom drunk
since.
tried smoking as a teenager, thought it was stupid. Ignored peer
pressure.
know the real dope on Amelia Earhart's last trip.
been convinced that NASA had to have faked all of the moon landings.
driven from Brooklyn NY to Peterborough NH (250 miles), averaging 100
mph one night - including a gas stop.
interesting friends such as Barry Goldwater, King Hussein, Steve Jobs,
Bill Gates, and Rod McKuen.
been convinced that with proper nutrition and avoiding poisons we ran
dependably live to over 100.
ridden Starlit Night, the Ringling Brothers top show horse.
a professorship of horsemanship and taught riding instructors.
a Hubbard Dianetic Auditor certificate and has processed over 100
patients, with some remarkable successes.
swum the three mile length of Coney Island many times.
investigated crop circles and a UFO hovering over a house in nearby
Francistown NH.
Other than all that I've been taking it easy and having a great time.

The name-calling Melvin Creep wrote:
From http://www.waynegreen.com
Who is Wayne Green? I'm a been there done that guy. I have......

There's a lot of genuine accomplishment there, but I think he ought to have
shortened it a bit...

tried marijuana in 1948 to see what it was like.
tried LSD in 1960 to see what that was like.
know the real dope on Amelia Earhart's last trip.
been convinced that NASA had to have faked all of the moon landings.
driven from Brooklyn NY to Peterborough NH (250 miles), averaging 100
mph one night - including a gas stop.
a Hubbard Dianetic Auditor certificate and has processed over 100
patients, with some remarkable successes.
investigated crop circles and a UFO hovering over a house in nearby
Francistown NH.

--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

"Faith: not *wanting* to know what is true."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave


I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------


The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

S

In article ,
Steven B wrote:

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave


I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------


The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

S

My goodness! Snoory gets a spine!
My impression has been that since he took over he's been afraid to rock
the boat by thoroughly interviewing any guest, lest some of the
credulous listeners be lost. Meanwhile Art, appearing on the weekend and
with nothing to lose anymore, dared to actually call into question some
of the nonsense. Now it's Snoory too!
That show could really be fun if some of those money-grubbing liars who
appear on it were asked a few probing questions from time to time.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steven B wrote:

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...
They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

Leonard

Maybe we ought to wait until the end of the year and see if
there are enough people left to make up a proper mob.(G)

HWB
(Collum Puniceus)

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...

[snip]

That show could really be fun if some of those money-grubbing liars who
appear on it were asked a few probing questions from time to time.

Leonard


Probing questions won't happen to entertaining guests, no matter how
fraudulent they may be. Booth got every break imaginable from Noory,
including Noory's frequent repetition of Booth's claims about his "O'hare
crash vision" and the interview with the Fatima witness. But Booth
continued to evade Noory's softball questions.

Uri Geller will be next Thursday night's guest. Let's see how long Noory's
integrity attack lasts.

Frank Dresser

Steven B wrote in message ...

The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Interesting but you need to elaborate and clarify. Did Noory flat out
state that Booth did not meet with Sister Lucia? Also, your sentence
"Green and Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of
David Booth or his apocalyptic dreams" doesn't make sense in context.
If she never heard of him how could she request a visit from him? Why
would Booth make that claim? It would undermine his claim that the
meeting took place. Clarify please.
Melvin