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Jeff Seale April 12th 04 08:35 PM

Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:

That said, it is apparent that the quality-control problems have not
been solved, Eton's spokesperson(s) to the contrary. There are two
solutions: one is to return (and keep returning) defective units until
you get one "right;" you must insist that the company pay for return
shipping (inquire about this before the purchase) or buy it locally.
(If you purchase one from Universal Radio, they will test it for you
on request before shipping; this ensures that your particular unit is
satisfactory.) Second is to buy a Drake-refurbished unit as available.
Not only is that cheaper, you know it will be "right." Several
companies offer this.


Good thing I'm so close to where Universal is located. I however was
lucky enough to get a decent unit. :D

Jeff Seale
Louisville, KY
S800, YB-550PE, Pro95, BC780XLT

Michael Bryant April 12th 04 08:45 PM

From: N8KDV

Drake's Fat Boy, Drake's... plural... pay attention! If you can.


No apostrophe in Drakes, moron.




Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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N8KDV April 12th 04 08:50 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Drake's Fat Boy, Drake's... plural... pay attention! If you can.


No apostrophe in Drakes, moron.


Yeah Fat Boy... I'm may be a moron, but you lied about having a PhD!



Michael Bryant April 12th 04 08:54 PM

From: N8KDV

Yeah Fat Boy... I'm may be a moron, but you lied about having a PhD!


You still don't know what you're talking about.

You're just embarassed over only having a Bachelors degree from that renowned
institute known as Grand Valley State....

Hey, with all this free time that unemployment has provided you, maybe you
could work on an advanced degree....

Better than being a lonely grouch, I bet....


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

N8KDV April 12th 04 09:00 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Yeah Fat Boy... I'm may be a moron, but you lied about having a PhD!


You still don't know what you're talking about.

You're just embarassed over only having a Bachelors degree from that renowned
institute known as Grand Valley State....


Yeah, typical liberal tripe... knocking someone else's school! Thing s Fat Boy...
you claimed to have a PhD! You don't... LOL!

Better than being a lonely grouch, I bet....


You'd have to fill me in on being lonely Fat Boy... I'm sure you're experienced!
LOL!



Michael Bryant April 12th 04 09:07 PM

From: N8KDV

You'd have to fill me in on being lonely Fat Boy... I'm sure you're
experienced!
LOL!


Let's see...

You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.

Who sounds lonelier? Easy call. Even for a Grand Valley grad....


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

N8KDV April 12th 04 09:12 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You'd have to fill me in on being lonely Fat Boy... I'm sure you're
experienced!
LOL!


Let's see...

You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?

Who sounds lonelier? Easy call. Even for a Grand Valley grad....


I think you sound lonelier Fat Boy! And I'm sure you are!



N8KDV April 12th 04 09:19 PM



N8KDV wrote:

Michael Bryant wrote:

From: krackula


ha hah ah aha ha ......... probably a LOT better than poor old
Covington ......which has gone down hill so much. I liked the nice
river area development in Louisville ... where I live would be
a desert if it wasn't for irrigation.


Yep. I moved back to Kentucky in Dec 2001 after spending 20 years outside the
state, the last 14 in northern Utah.


So how long ago was it then that you attended Wayne State? (And lived in the
slums of Detroit).

If it was prior to the 14 years you lived in Utah then you certainly knew long
before 2001 that you had not received the PhD.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...


Can you tell us exactly when you attended Wayne State?

Or is that another Fat Boy secret or fabrication?



Michael Bryant April 12th 04 09:22 PM

From: N8KDV

You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?


Try harder, Steve. Simply asking for documentation on everything doesn't
disprove. Pop for $25 and have that ivestigative report ran. Oh, that's right,
you haven't been able to research an address, right? Loser....


Who sounds lonelier? Easy call. Even for a Grand Valley grad....


I think you sound lonelier Fat Boy! And I'm sure you are!


Steve, not even the people that support you believe you leave the house very
often. And, except for that one drive to Ohio, you do admit that you're
unemployed.

You've already provided all the necessary documentation!

Thanks,


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Michael Bryant April 12th 04 09:24 PM

From: N8KDV

Can you tell us exactly when you attended Wayne State?


You told me you knew. Was that ANOTHER lie?


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

N8KDV April 12th 04 09:30 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?


Try harder, Steve. Simply asking for documentation on everything doesn't
disprove. Pop for $25 and have that ivestigative report ran. Oh, that's right,
you haven't been able to research an address, right? Loser....


Well loser boy, you already stated you got the results back on me...


Who sounds lonelier? Easy call. Even for a Grand Valley grad....


I think you sound lonelier Fat Boy! And I'm sure you are!


Steve, not even the people that support you believe you leave the house very
often. And, except for that one drive to Ohio, you do admit that you're
unemployed.


So, I'm not employed on a regular basis (by the way, I just sold 1000 shares of
Microsoft this afternoon!). Not a crime, not even a lie!

I leave the house many times a day Fat Boy... once again another facile
fabrication on your part!

You are an idiot who has lied about having a PhD, you're the same idiot who
claimed my wife left me, you're the same idiot who claimed I made some incorrect
statements about Pol Pot...

The list goes on and on... you've been proven wrong on every count!

Get some better meds Fat Boy!



N8KDV April 12th 04 09:31 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Can you tell us exactly when you attended Wayne State?


You told me you knew. Was that ANOTHER lie?


Nope, I don't know the exact dates! But we all know you lied about the
PhD!



N8KDV April 12th 04 09:34 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Can you tell us exactly when you attended Wayne State?


You told me you knew.


Show me a post where I stated the dates Fat Boy... put up or shut your
Fat Mouth!



N8KDV April 12th 04 09:44 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.


So why don't you provide the proof? How do you know what I'm doing Fat Boy?

You're just jealous that's all. Another Fat Boy liberal... jealous as hell!

I can go for days at a time without ever turning the SW on... depends upon the
season.

You get back to me when you got some experience and credibility in the hobby!



N8KDV April 12th 04 10:01 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?


Try harder, Steve. Simply asking for documentation on everything doesn't
disprove. Pop for $25 and have that ivestigative report ran. Oh, that's right,
you haven't been able to research an address, right? Loser....


The only loser here is some sorry Fat Boy who tries to make himself look better by
trying to tell the world that he has a PhD when he does not indeed have one!

You've been a loser your entire life, ever since you were on your daddy's
shoulders supposedly witnessing some Klan event.

It's coloured your entire life! Now you feel as though it is ok to fabricate
anything you desire...

Keep trying Liberal loser... those of us on the right, and in the right have no
need to fabricate or distort the truth!



N8KDV April 12th 04 10:03 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?


Try harder, Steve. Simply asking for documentation on everything doesn't
disprove.


Afraid to tell us when you re-married Fat Boy? Afraid you might get caught in a
lie?



N8KDV April 12th 04 10:27 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Yeah Fat Boy... I'm may be a moron, but you lied about having a PhD!


You still don't know what you're talking about.

You're just embarassed over only having a Bachelors degree from that renowned
institute known as Grand Valley State....

Hey, with all this free time that unemployment has provided you, maybe you
could work on an advanced degree....

Better than being a lonely grouch, I bet....


And the truth is Fat Boy... I live in my own home, I make my house payments, I
pay my bills..

Some liberal assholes such as yourself have a problem with that!




Stinger April 12th 04 10:56 PM


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dan wrote:

In article ,
longwave wrote:

He doesn't need to own both radios to evaluate them. You conveniently
snipped the part where he made a direct comparison using the same
antenna and found that the 800 could hear anything the R75 was

receiving
and with better audio. He made up his mind based on real world

evidence.
That's the best anyone can do.


Indeed.

If anyone cares, I will be taking delivery of a new 800 and a little
used 700 this week (probably Tuesday, 4/13). I will be doing extensive
comparisons with my other radios, and will be happy to report my
findings.


What I find interesting is in another thread someone compared his $60
dollar Chinese portable to his IC-R75 and found that it heard everything
the IC-R75 did.

I've done some thinking on this "one radio hears a station and the other
didn't" situation when the sensitivity of the radios are within a few
dBm of each other. Normally it would not be reasonable to expect this
result.

I think the reason has to do with the radios input impedance changing
over frequency and not looking like a resistive load. With an antenna
not matched well on one end of a coax and the radio not being a good
match on some frequencies on the other end results can be unpredictable
with resonances at different frequencies for the different radios. This
will lead to unpredictable results.

In order to flatten out the response of the antenna / coax an attenuator
could be used absorb the reflections in the antenna system.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Could be -- but I think it's more likely just a combination of wishful
thinking and enthusiasm getting in the way of objectivity.

The radios they're talking about (Kaito 1102 / Degen 1102) are extremely
good values at twice their price (I have the Kaito 1102). But some of the
stuff I was reading made me laugh out loud.

-- Stinger



CommandanteZero April 13th 04 12:05 AM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


That's a fabrication on your part Fat Boy!


Pretty easy to check. Just check the times you've posted to the NG. It's
DOCUMENTED.

I'm married, have a family and teach dozens of different students, daily.


So? Can you document that? When did you re-marry?


Try harder, Steve. Simply asking for documentation on everything doesn't
disprove. Pop for $25 and have that ivestigative report ran. Oh, that's right,
you haven't been able to research an address, right? Loser....

Who sounds lonelier? Easy call. Even for a Grand Valley grad....


I think you sound lonelier Fat Boy! And I'm sure you are!


Steve, not even the people that support you believe you leave the house very
often. And, except for that one drive to Ohio, you do admit that you're
unemployed.

You've already provided all the necessary documentation!


Everythings gonna be all right Fat Boy!

Just take those meds like your doctor says...

You know what I mean?

Don't lie now!


CommandanteZero April 13th 04 12:57 AM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


You'd have to fill me in on being lonely Fat Boy... I'm sure you're
experienced!
LOL!


Let's see...

You sit at home, unmarried, listening to the radio pretty much 24/7.


And you Fat Boy? You've sat at home pretty much your entire life eating
Cheetos...

You have no idea of what it means to be a warrior in any sense of the word...

You claim to be Cherokee... you are a fraud...

What we call here an 'apple'...

Red on the outside... white on the inside...

No one I know here associated with any tribe would have anything to to do
with a liar and fabricator such as your self.

You would be shunned.




Michael Bryant April 13th 04 03:09 AM

From: N8KDV

From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV



Geez, Steve. Having fun ****ing all over yourself?

Quick, they got meds for that.....

It's always great to come home from my evening class and see that you've kept
yourself busy, Steve.

My students really get some laughs out of your posts. They thought the
Commandante Zero stuff was the biggest Freudian slip they've ever seen!

Keep up the excellent work!


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Telamon April 13th 04 04:36 AM

In article ,
N8KDV wrote:

Michael Bryant wrote:

From: krackula


ha hah ah aha ha ......... probably a LOT better than poor old
Covington ......which has gone down hill so much. I liked the
nice river area development in Louisville ... where I live would
be a desert if it wasn't for irrigation.


Yep. I moved back to Kentucky in Dec 2001 after spending 20 years
outside the state, the last 14 in northern Utah.


So how long ago was it then that you attended Wayne State? (And lived
in the slums of Detroit).

If it was prior to the 14 years you lived in Utah then you certainly
knew long before 2001 that you had not received the PhD.


That's because in a way Bryant is everyman. He has lived in the slums
and yet aspires to acquire a double Ph.D. Then to make matters worse he
ended up with P. H. D. but that's another story. Speaking of stories he
has plenty. And did I mention he's also beyond time and place. Why deal
with boring reality when a better one can be fabricated.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon April 13th 04 04:44 AM

In article ,
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: N8KDV


So how long ago was it then that you attended Wayne State? (And
lived in the slums of Detroit).

If it was prior to the 14 years you lived in Utah then you certainly
knew long before 2001 that you had not received the PhD.


Duh. It's obvious that you 1.) Understand little about how one works
toward a PhD and that 2.) You are bored and looking to keep a fight
going.


We are all having a hard time keeping up with your imagination.

Why don't you take another drive to Ohio? It's obvious that you need
something besides your Drake to keep you occupied.


He actually has radios and spends time listening them. I know that in
your imagination you can with great rapidity hear many distant stations
but when someone has to use real radios and take the time to verify what
they are hearing; well it takes some time.

Get a life, Steve.


He seems to have one from here.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CommandanteZero April 13th 04 04:47 AM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


Geez, Steve. Having fun ****ing all over yourself?

Quick, they got meds for that.....

It's always great to come home from my evening class and see that you've kept
yourself busy, Steve.

My students really get some laughs out of your posts. They thought the
Commandante Zero stuff was the biggest Freudian slip they've ever seen!


And I'm sure you've shown your supposed students the fact that you've lied about
your PhD!

Keep lying to us!



CommandanteZero April 13th 04 04:54 AM



Telamon wrote:

In article ,
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: N8KDV


So how long ago was it then that you attended Wayne State? (And
lived in the slums of Detroit).

If it was prior to the 14 years you lived in Utah then you certainly
knew long before 2001 that you had not received the PhD.


Duh. It's obvious that you 1.) Understand little about how one works
toward a PhD and that 2.) You are bored and looking to keep a fight
going.


We are all having a hard time keeping up with your imagination.

Why don't you take another drive to Ohio? It's obvious that you need
something besides your Drake to keep you occupied.


He actually has radios and spends time listening them. I know that in
your imagination you can with great rapidity hear many distant stations
but when someone has to use real radios and take the time to verify what
they are hearing; well it takes some time.

Get a life, Steve.


He seems to have one from here.


Indeed I do! Just proved it a few ago with my old friend Kathy! LOL!

The 'ol boy still got it!

Damn!


Telamon April 13th 04 05:01 AM

In article ,
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV



Geez, Steve. Having fun ****ing all over yourself?

Quick, they got meds for that.....

It's always great to come home from my evening class and see that
you've kept yourself busy, Steve.

My students really get some laughs out of your posts. They thought
the Commandante Zero stuff was the biggest Freudian slip they've ever
seen!

Keep up the excellent work!


You would never show anyone you knew these posts. You are an
embarrassment.

But since you have come up with this idea more than once maybe someone
should indicate to your students and facelty alike your posting
behavior. Your public display reflects upon the institution were you
serve as an instructor. I'd like to call you Professor but you don't
have that double Ph.D. now do you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Michael Bryant April 13th 04 05:05 AM

From: CommandanteZero

And I'm sure you've shown your supposed students the fact that you've lied
about
your PhD!

Keep lying to us!


Well, of course they've seen this thread. They know how stupid you're acting.
Most of them think you're like the old grouchy guys that stands out in the
street cursing cars and thinking he's tough because they swerve around him....

Pathetic, in a word.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Michael Bryant April 13th 04 05:08 AM

From: CommandanteZero

Indeed I do! Just proved it a few ago with my old friend Kathy! LOL!

The 'ol boy still got it!

Damn!


Can you document that. Did you tweek her passbands?

You are so pitifully juvenile that it's impossible to not laugh. The only thing
more hilarious is Tele-Nazi. Though he scares the students. They think you're
just funny, Steve!




Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Telamon April 13th 04 05:09 AM

In article ,
"Stinger" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
...
In article ,
Dan wrote:

In article ,
longwave wrote:

He doesn't need to own both radios to evaluate them. You
conveniently snipped the part where he made a direct comparison
using the same antenna and found that the 800 could hear
anything the R75 was receiving and with better audio. He made
up his mind based on real world evidence. That's the best
anyone can do.

Indeed.

If anyone cares, I will be taking delivery of a new 800 and a
little used 700 this week (probably Tuesday, 4/13). I will be
doing extensive comparisons with my other radios, and will be
happy to report my findings.


What I find interesting is in another thread someone compared his
$60 dollar Chinese portable to his IC-R75 and found that it heard
everything the IC-R75 did.

I've done some thinking on this "one radio hears a station and the
other didn't" situation when the sensitivity of the radios are
within a few dBm of each other. Normally it would not be reasonable
to expect this result.

I think the reason has to do with the radios input impedance
changing over frequency and not looking like a resistive load. With
an antenna not matched well on one end of a coax and the radio not
being a good match on some frequencies on the other end results can
be unpredictable with resonances at different frequencies for the
different radios. This will lead to unpredictable results.

In order to flatten out the response of the antenna / coax an
attenuator could be used absorb the reflections in the antenna
system.


Could be -- but I think it's more likely just a combination of
wishful thinking and enthusiasm getting in the way of objectivity.

The radios they're talking about (Kaito 1102 / Degen 1102) are
extremely good values at twice their price (I have the Kaito 1102).
But some of the stuff I was reading made me laugh out loud.


Well, I meant tabletop radio comparisons. I did not mean to extend it to
the portables but you have to agree that somewhere between these
extremes the truth must lie.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

N8KDV April 13th 04 05:15 AM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: CommandanteZero


And I'm sure you've shown your supposed students the fact that you've lied
about
your PhD!

Keep lying to us!


Well, of course they've seen this thread. They know how stupid you're acting.
Most of them think you're like the old grouchy guys that stands out in the
street cursing cars and thinking he's tough because they swerve around him....

Pathetic, in a word.


Keep lying Fat Boy... you've shown them nothing!

And the only FBI you've spoken to is the FBI in your addled brain...

I think we can all believe that!





N8KDV April 13th 04 05:17 AM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: CommandanteZero


Indeed I do! Just proved it a few ago with my old friend Kathy! LOL!

The 'ol boy still got it!

Damn!


Can you document that. Did you tweek her passbands?

You are so pitifully juvenile that it's impossible to not laugh. The only thing
more hilarious is Tele-Nazi. Though he scares the students. They think you're
just funny, Steve!


Nobody is funnier than a Fat Boy who poses as a PhD and doesn't have one!

You are an 'apple' Fat Boy....



Michael Bryant April 13th 04 05:23 AM

From: N8KDV

Nobody is funnier than a Fat Boy who poses as a PhD and doesn't have one!


Can you document that I don't have one? Please keep talking. You have no idea
how much delight you're giving me, Zero-boy!


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Telamon April 13th 04 06:45 AM

In article ,
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: CommandanteZero


Indeed I do! Just proved it a few ago with my old friend Kathy! LOL!

The 'ol boy still got it!

Damn!


Can you document that. Did you tweek her passbands?

You are so pitifully juvenile that it's impossible to not laugh. The
only thing more hilarious is Tele-Nazi. Though he scares the
students. They think you're just funny, Steve!


Yeah, I just scare the hell out of people. Yup that's what friends,
family and coworkers say about me that I'm just plain scary. No telling
what I might do.

I'd like to know what I did to earn the "Nazi" part and why I'm sooo...
scary to you. If you need to depersonalize the reason through the device
of your making like "your students" feel free.

Well at least you still have some room in your head for a little humor
resting beside that huge imagination.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

William Mutch April 15th 04 04:52 PM

In article ,
says...
On 9 Apr 2004 20:06:28 -0700,
(Gary) wrote:

B Banton wrote in message My 800 hums slightly when I turn the light on. Does a sync detector
help with that? My battery indicator flashes after about 3 hours of
use. Does turning the gain control up have an effect on that? My 800
can't display the letters USB. How would you have me fix that? They
doubled up the BATT and Attenuate letters. Do you know that? I can't
turn the damn volume knob past 3 before sound distorts. Care to tell
me why they included volume control past that point? Even past the
half-way point? The 800 is an absolute mess. For anyone to defend it
is absolutely incredible IMO. And just another reason why mediocrity
is becoming acceptable. Tell Grundig to stuff that unit up their ever
loving a**.

Regards


I'd say you have a defective unit. As far as the display not
displaying the letters USB - that was taken directly from the Drake
SW8 which also cannot display the letters USB. Some of the early
sets, including mine, have a bad adjustment for the battery indicator
and it flashes, like you say, after about 3 hours of use. That was
corrected on later units, so I understand. The other problems you
have seem to be on your set as I do not have those problems with mine.



"snip"

I've run my Sat 800 (second series) for the last year on a car
battery. The supply voltage as listed in the manual is 9 volts, but
cast in plastic above the supply input jack is "9-15 volts". The radio
is very happy with even a fully charged battery at 13.8 v and will last
for *weeks* of my teenager listening to loud rock music between charges.

[email protected] April 17th 04 01:53 AM

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:52:45 -0400, William Mutch
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 9 Apr 2004 20:06:28 -0700, (Gary) wrote:

B Banton wrote in message My 800 hums slightly when I turn the light on. Does a sync detector
help with that? My battery indicator flashes after about 3 hours of
use. Does turning the gain control up have an effect on that? My 800
can't display the letters USB. How would you have me fix that? They
doubled up the BATT and Attenuate letters. Do you know that? I can't
turn the damn volume knob past 3 before sound distorts. Care to tell
me why they included volume control past that point? Even past the
half-way point? The 800 is an absolute mess. For anyone to defend it
is absolutely incredible IMO. And just another reason why mediocrity
is becoming acceptable. Tell Grundig to stuff that unit up their ever
loving a**.

Regards

I'd say you have a defective unit. As far as the display not
displaying the letters USB - that was taken directly from the Drake
SW8 which also cannot display the letters USB. Some of the early
sets, including mine, have a bad adjustment for the battery indicator
and it flashes, like you say, after about 3 hours of use. That was
corrected on later units, so I understand. The other problems you
have seem to be on your set as I do not have those problems with mine.



"snip"

I've run my Sat 800 (second series) for the last year on a car
battery. The supply voltage as listed in the manual is 9 volts, but
cast in plastic above the supply input jack is "9-15 volts". The radio
is very happy with even a fully charged battery at 13.8 v and will last
for *weeks* of my teenager listening to loud rock music between charges.


--------------

9-15 volts; interesting!

I bought one of the first available S800s from Sharper Image (Still
works like a champ with a very quiet 400' loop, everyday). The
plastic on mine, by the input, reads DC 9V.

I do run mine on a garden tractor/snowmobile battery but use an RS
DC-DC converter to get 9V @900ma output. In addition I keep a 50w
solar panel connected to the battery. Maintenance on the whole deal
is to add a little distilled water to the battery every couple years
and occasionally soap/rinse spray the solar panel on the roof.

Was tempted at first to chance running the receiver straight off the
12V too, but opted to be gentle on the components. Any comment out
there on detrimental effects of higher voltage use? Or, what's best
for the radio.

Great radios ain't they?

bball
Sat800, 400' loop @15' height, AD Sloper (not as good), MFJ 959B for
good matching, switching, occ amplification.


starman April 17th 04 06:24 AM

wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:52:45 -0400, William Mutch
wrote:

In article ,
says...



I've run my Sat 800 (second series) for the last year on a car
battery. The supply voltage as listed in the manual is 9 volts, but
cast in plastic above the supply input jack is "9-15 volts". The radio
is very happy with even a fully charged battery at 13.8 v and will last
for *weeks* of my teenager listening to loud rock music between charges.


--------------

9-15 volts; interesting!

I bought one of the first available S800s from Sharper Image (Still
works like a champ with a very quiet 400' loop, everyday). The
plastic on mine, by the input, reads DC 9V.

I do run mine on a garden tractor/snowmobile battery but use an RS
DC-DC converter to get 9V @900ma output. In addition I keep a 50w
solar panel connected to the battery. Maintenance on the whole deal
is to add a little distilled water to the battery every couple years
and occasionally soap/rinse spray the solar panel on the roof.

Was tempted at first to chance running the receiver straight off the
12V too, but opted to be gentle on the components. Any comment out
there on detrimental effects of higher voltage use? Or, what's best
for the radio.


The only componant(s) that would experience the higher voltage would be
the main voltage regulator which is apparently designed to handle an
input voltage of up to 15-V. The '800' actually has an internal DC to DC
converter which steps up the nominal 9-V input voltage to 15-V for
certain circuits that need a higher voltage. There must be something in
the owner's manual regarding the maximum input voltage.

Now you have me wondering if my Drake-SW8, which was the prototype for
the '800', could be run on 12-V instead of 9-V. I'll have to check the
manual and schematic.


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[email protected] April 17th 04 03:07 PM

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:24:02 -0400, starman wrote:

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The only componant(s) that would experience the higher voltage would be
the main voltage regulator which is apparently designed to handle an
input voltage of up to 15-V. The '800' actually has an internal DC to DC
converter which steps up the nominal 9-V input voltage to 15-V for
certain circuits that need a higher voltage. There must be something in
the owner's manual regarding the maximum input voltage.

Now you have me wondering if my Drake-SW8, which was the prototype for
the '800', could be run on 12-V instead of 9-V. I'll have to check the
manual and schematic.

A practical implication here is that if one desired to use the huge
S800 as a portable, a practical power supply might be a long, slim 12V
gell cell/SLA battery to fit in the battery compartment. Two 6V 1.3A
(3-3/4x2x1") gell cells will almost fit in there after removing the
receiver terminals. I'll experiment on playtime but suspect only
about 4-5 hours on the series gell cells. Otherwise, it's not that
difficult to saw a hole in the battery compartment and put a larger
gell cell in there.

Please check SW8 power and let us know if you think 12V may be
allright.

bball

starman April 18th 04 01:17 AM

wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:24:02 -0400, starman wrote:

------- clip

The only componant(s) that would experience the higher voltage would be
the main voltage regulator which is apparently designed to handle an
input voltage of up to 15-V. The '800' actually has an internal DC to DC
converter which steps up the nominal 9-V input voltage to 15-V for
certain circuits that need a higher voltage. There must be something in
the owner's manual regarding the maximum input voltage.

Now you have me wondering if my Drake-SW8, which was the prototype for
the '800', could be run on 12-V instead of 9-V. I'll have to check the
manual and schematic.

A practical implication here is that if one desired to use the huge
S800 as a portable, a practical power supply might be a long, slim 12V
gell cell/SLA battery to fit in the battery compartment. Two 6V 1.3A
(3-3/4x2x1") gell cells will almost fit in there after removing the
receiver terminals. I'll experiment on playtime but suspect only
about 4-5 hours on the series gell cells. Otherwise, it's not that
difficult to saw a hole in the battery compartment and put a larger
gell cell in there.

Please check SW8 power and let us know if you think 12V may be
allright.

bball


You wouldn't have to use the battery compartment. There's enough room
inside the '800' case, on the speaker end, for a 12-V rechargeable
battery.

The SW8 manual says the power supply voltage should be in the range of
7-10 volts. I gave the schematic a cursory look. The nominal 9-V power
input doesn't seem to pass through a common voltage regulator before
branching out to other voltage regulators or unregulated circuits. If
this is the case, it would require installing a primary voltage
regulator so it could handle a 12-V input. That wouldn't be difficult
using a three pin IC regulator which was set to operate at 9-V but the
power loss in that regulator would decrease the operating time for an
external 12-V battery. I'll study the schematic some more to see what
the options may be. Someone said the '800' has writing on the rear of
the case that indicates it can handle up to 15-V input. I have a JPG
copy of the '800' schematic so I'll check it out too.


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Lawrence H. Bulk April 18th 04 01:34 AM

I still like C.Crane's NiMH "D" cells. 6 fully charged ones give 30-40
hours of play time. I had my battery meter adjusted to work with 1.2V
batteries instead of 1.5V so I don't see the blinking "BATT"
indicator, but the indicator has no effect on the run-time. With these
batteries, no modification to the radio is necessary.

Lawrence

wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:24:02 -0400, starman wrote:

------- clip

The only componant(s) that would experience the higher voltage would be
the main voltage regulator which is apparently designed to handle an
input voltage of up to 15-V. The '800' actually has an internal DC to DC
converter which steps up the nominal 9-V input voltage to 15-V for
certain circuits that need a higher voltage. There must be something in
the owner's manual regarding the maximum input voltage.

Now you have me wondering if my Drake-SW8, which was the prototype for
the '800', could be run on 12-V instead of 9-V. I'll have to check the
manual and schematic.

A practical implication here is that if one desired to use the huge
S800 as a portable, a practical power supply might be a long, slim 12V
gell cell/SLA battery to fit in the battery compartment. Two 6V 1.3A
(3-3/4x2x1") gell cells will almost fit in there after removing the
receiver terminals. I'll experiment on playtime but suspect only
about 4-5 hours on the series gell cells. Otherwise, it's not that
difficult to saw a hole in the battery compartment and put a larger
gell cell in there.

Please check SW8 power and let us know if you think 12V may be
allright.

bball


Telamon April 18th 04 02:09 AM

In article ,
"craigm" wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Someone said the '800' has writing on the rear of
the case that indicates it can handle up to 15-V input. I have a
JPG copy of the '800' schematic so I'll check it out too.



My Sat 800 says 9V on the back. The manual says 9V also.

When you look at the schematic you will find the input DC is routed
several places and not all of them lead to a regulator.

My position would be to only use a 9 volt supply. Why risk damaging
the radio by providing more than it can use?


Linear switching regulators are lossy and will dissipate more heat the
higher the input voltage relative to the output voltage. It might get to
hot and fail after a while. You only need to be slightly higher than the
minimum drop across the regulator plus the output voltage. There is no
advantage being any higher.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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