N8KDV wrote:

Corbin Ray wrote:

I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada? The owner of WLIB bought them a few years ago, decreased their power
and changed their directional pattern just so that WLIB could increase its
own power to cover NYC. Then the owners dumped their damaged goods and sold
WOWO to someone else.

That was one of the saddest days in broadcast history for me. WOWO used to
have an incredible signal here in Kentucky. Back in the 70s, my radio
buttons were set on WLS, WCFL, WOWO, and 15 WLAC. And even though they
weren't still playing music, I was listening to them steadily every night,
right up to the sad night when their strong signal became a noisy whisper.

So as far as I'm concerned, WLIB can take a flying leap into the Hudson
River and let us have WOWO back.

When I was a kid I sat in the studio with Bob Sievers when he did his show on
WOWO.

Bob Sievers was/is W9FJT.. W9 Fifty Jumping Tigers as I recall...

I think I was 13 or 14 at the time. My grandparents farm was just up the hill
from the transmitter site, and I used to go down there and hang out. My
grandfather used to mow the area around the transmitter/tower site.

One set of grandparents lived in the city, the others had the farm.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

- Sorry to hear that, Ray;

There are a few stations that have been treated the same way round here;
- Loop antenna help, or have they changed the format to something else?

Here in NYC, occasionally we can pick up WWVA, out of Wheeling, west Virginia;
- but only on certain nights..
& I DID like the Caribbean music WLIB used to play up here

Dan

In article , "Corbin Ray"
writes:

Subject: WLIB killed WOWO
From: "Corbin Ray"
Date: 13 Apr 2004 15:46:19 GMT

I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada? The owner of WLIB bought them a few years ago, decreased their power
and changed their directional pattern just so that WLIB could increase its
own power to cover NYC. Then the owners dumped their damaged goods and sold
WOWO to someone else.

That was one of the saddest days in broadcast history for me. WOWO used to
have an incredible signal here in Kentucky. Back in the 70s, my radio
buttons were set on WLS, WCFL, WOWO, and 15 WLAC. And even though they
weren't still playing music, I was listening to them steadily every night,
right up to the sad night when their strong signal became a noisy whisper.

So as far as I'm concerned, WLIB can take a flying leap into the Hudson
River and let us have WOWO back.

Diverd4777 wrote:
Here in NYC, occasionally we can pick up WWVA, out of Wheeling, west Virginia;
- but only on certain nights..

You can't rely on WWVA when it rains. They automatically cut into anything with
weather bureau rain warnings and you miss the punch lines. Clear Channel at work.

I go to an alternate Rush on rainy days (WDAO Dayton, though they're maniacs for
traffic tieup breaking news. Nobody just plays the damn program anymore).

I'd listen to the Columbus local WTVN for Rush but they delay it an hour so the hell with
them; also they play Rush with an annoying echo special-effect that the program director
thinks is erotic. Maybe if they turned it off people could listen at lunch.
--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

I listen to WWVA for the 10:00 P.M. Coal Mine report;
- Which I find fascinating.
here in NYC, its all Stock Markets; Out in the Midwest it's all Feed grain
prices;
In L.A it's all Traffic & entertainment
& in Saudi Arabia, I suppose it's all Oil,
& what Schools are giving specials on Pilot Licences or something

Dan ( Listening to BBC on 12.095 & Randi Rhodes on 1.190 )



In article , Ron Hardin
writes:


Diverd4777 wrote:
Here in NYC, occasionally we can pick up WWVA, out of Wheeling, west
Virginia;
- but only on certain nights..

You can't rely on WWVA when it rains. They automatically cut into anything
with
weather bureau rain warnings and you miss the punch lines. Clear Channel at
work.

I go to an alternate Rush on rainy days (WDAO Dayton, though they're maniacs
for
traffic tieup breaking news. Nobody just plays the damn program anymore).

I'd listen to the Columbus local WTVN for Rush but they delay it an hour so
the hell with
them; also they play Rush with an annoying echo special-effect that the
program director
thinks is erotic. Maybe if they turned it off people could listen at lunch.
--
Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:

Diverd4777 wrote:
Here in NYC, occasionally we can pick up WWVA, out of Wheeling, west
Virginia;
- but only on certain nights..

You can't rely on WWVA when it rains. They automatically cut into anything
with
weather bureau rain warnings and you miss the punch lines. Clear Channel at
work.

I grew up in Wheeling in the 60s and 70s. In those days, you could
pretty much clip a pair of headphones to your bedsprings and listen to
WWVA! Kathryn Kuhlman on Sunday nights!

I could regularly get them in the 80s when I moved here (Florida), but I
haven't heard them here in years. Now I read that Clear Channel wants
to sell them off and/or lower the power.

Dan

Drake R8, Radio Shack DX-440,
Grundig S650, S700, S800, YB400
Tecsun PL-230 (YB550PE), Kaito KA1102
Hallicraters S-120 (1962)
Zenith black dial 5 tube Tombstone (1937)
E. H. Scott 23 tube Imperial Allwave in Tasman cabinet (1936)

Corbin Ray wrote:

I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada? The owner of WLIB bought them a few years ago, decreased their power
and changed their directional pattern just so that WLIB could increase its
own power to cover NYC. Then the owners dumped their damaged goods and sold
WOWO to someone else.

That was one of the saddest days in broadcast history for me. WOWO used to
have an incredible signal here in Kentucky. Back in the 70s, my radio
buttons were set on WLS, WCFL, WOWO, and 15 WLAC. And even though they
weren't still playing music, I was listening to them steadily every night,
right up to the sad night when their strong signal became a noisy whisper.

So as far as I'm concerned, WLIB can take a flying leap into the Hudson
River and let us have WOWO back.

You mentioned WLS, which I'm listening to right now. Yesterday, April 12 was
their actual 80th anniversary according to them.

They have been making announcements all year that this is their 80th
anniversary.

I think I've been listening to them for perhaps 46 of those 80 years as I had an
early interest in radio from about 5 years of age onward.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada?

First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.

There were, at the time of the facilities changes on WOWO, stations with
night operations in Kansas City, Anaheim, CA, Portland, OR (50 kw KEX), San
Juan, PR and Dallas, TX. In addition, a dominant station on 1190 is KEWK, a
10 kw operation in Guadalajara, Mexico, as well as a half-dozen other
fulltimers in Mexico on 1190. WOWO was always directional, going back to
when Westinghouse downgraded it a half-century or more ago so KEX could
become a 1-B clear channel station. It sent little power to the West, to
protect KEX. And KEX did the same so it could run 50 kw. It got a signal
into parts of eastern Ontario, some of Quebec and occasionally in the
Maritimes... but much of that is Francophone and WOWO was hardly of
interest.

WOWO was limited to consistent coverage of maybe a dozen states or parts of
them at night, and NE Indiana, South Central Michigan and a piece of Ohio in
daytime.

Since very little radio listening is done at night (and hasn't been since
the 50's), the important issue is whether the station has decent coverage of
the Ft. Wayne market. Even nearby markets and towns, which did not have
local stations in the 50's and before, now have, in most cases, too many
stations.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing one
of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half of
Canada?

First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.

Sure they did... in one form or another!

WLS even states on the air at times how many states they cover, and it's similar
to the 38 state claim....

It's marketing.... and DX!

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I don't care who owns WLIB. But I will never forgive them for killing
one
of
the best radio stations in middle America. Remember what happened to
WOWO,
50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that covered 38 states and half
of
Canada?

First, WOWO did not cover 38 states.

Sure they did... in one form or another!

WLS even states on the air at times how many states they cover, and it's
similar
to the 38 state claim....

It's marketing.... and DX!



We used to love listening to John "Records" Lyendecker on WLS, and it came
in just fine in Southern Mississippi. It was the best "large market" radio
you could hear.

-- Stinger

"Corbin Ray" wrote ...

Remember what happened to WOWO, 50,000-watt blowtorch from Fort Wayne that
covered 38 states and half of Canada?

Remember it well. Before FM played rock, night time AM was all we had.
WKBW / 1510 / Buffalo - Tom Shannon and others.
WABC / 770 / NYC / Cousin Brucie.
WOWO - Ft. Wayne
WLS - Chicago
CKLW / 800 / Somewhere in Canada - came on when our local 800 left the air.
WWVA / 1170 / Wheeling - had to love those pre-profit Stair preachers.

Wanna go waaaaayyyyy back?
WCKY / Cincinnati One, Ohio .. Wayne Rainey and the Rainey Family.

I miss 'em all. :-(

[ Moderator's note: CKLW is in Windsor, Ontario, across the river from
Detroit. They are still on the air and you can visit their website at
http://www.am800cklw.com/ . CKLW-FM 93.9 flipped formats from Oldies to
Adult Album Alternative a number of years ago and became CIDR, 93.9 The River.
When I left that part of the country last year they'd flipped again, to some
sort of Soft Rock format. ]