"Tracy Fort" wrote in message

I do have a solution for the POW
problem though.....don't take any!

Tracy

I'm with you on that one!

73Brian

"-=jd=-" wrote in message

Oh, I don't presume that the US, or any other country's military, will
only consist of the most moral and ethical of it's citizens. But I do
expect that when recognized, the bad-apples are dealt with swiftly and
appropriately.

Neither the US, nor any other society on the face of the planet can
guarantee perfection, but we can guarantee that we will uphold our common
good, principles, morals and ethics where it is within the scope of our
control and influence. This is what differentiates the U.S. from the likes
of Saddam.

I can see where you are coming from, but it is my view that once captured
and under out control, the terrorists become our responsibility (like it
or not) and we need to live up to that responsibility to the best of our
ability. Faced with a similar situation, I would hope and trust that the
vast majority of Americans could rise *well* above the type of behvaior
depicted in those photos and not drag the rest of us down by succumbing to
base human weaknesses.

I'm not asking for any guarantee of perfection, but I would expect
striving for it to the best of our ability, even if we ultimately fall
short of perfection.

I think we're on the same side of the coin and looking from different
angles. I think we're trying to do the right thing. Its just so damn hard
and complicated. Too many people and too many damn problems. The worlds
getting smaller and smaller and cultures are colliding like atoms. Its bound
to be a rough ride.
--
73 Brian
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From: "-=jd=-"

I fully support President Bush and all the other troops over there, but
these idiots crossed the line, writ-large. All empathy that anyone may
hold aside, what they did can not and should not be defended or "spun".
Trying to defend, minimize or otherwise "spin" these abuses is just as
patently disingenuous as those who are indicting all the other soldiers
and American society over the actions of a scant hand-full of bad apples.

These dolts are going to be dealt with according to the UCMJ, which is
good enough for me. Certainly, that won't satisfy everyone. The remainder
is up to the politicians.


Perhaps one of the best posts I've ever seen from a Republican in this NG. I
applaud your reasoning, if not your political party!

Let me pose one small question. Given that the most recent reports coming out
today suggest that military intelligence and the CIA controlled that wing of
the prison and encouraged reservists to act in this disgusting way, do you
agree that there should be an investigation to pursue responsibility beyond the
reservists?



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From: helmsman

I'm thinking they would kill our people if given the chance. We should have
taken NO prisoners in the
first place and exterminated there military when we had the chance.

Yes, one would expect you to advocate extermination. Won't the archives show
that you used to preach that very same advocacy against minorities here in the
US? Has the war simply given you some other place to focus your desire for
extermination of some category of humans?


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Michael 'I lied about having a PhD' Bryant wrote:

From: helmsman

I'm thinking they would kill our people if given the chance. We should have
taken NO prisoners in the
first place and exterminated there military when we had the chance.

Yes, one would expect you to advocate extermination. Won't the archives show
that you used to preach that very same advocacy against minorities here in the
US? Has the war simply given you some other place to focus your desire for
extermination of some category of humans?

Won't the archives show that you've lied about a PhD and many other things Fat
Boy?

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: helmsman

Good, now it's time for them to get back to killing the enemy!

It seems that they are killing many more innocent women and children than
insurgents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL

What a load of crap. Facts, Michael -- show me FACTS! This isn't some
"debating society" game, where the outcome doesn't matter. This is serious.

It is truly unfortunate that SOME have been killed, but it is a FACT that
the many insurgents are using them as "cover." If you're in a house that
has an RPG get launched by an insurgent out of one of its windows toward our
troops, you can expect a big load of whoopass coming back your way.

Additionally, these are not stupid people -- they're playing the P.R. game
with the willful help of Arab news services, etc., spouting any number of
untruths about both insurgent and civilian deaths, with the clear intent of
getting gullible people like you to believe them. With the insurgents in
charge of those hospitals, who in the hell do you think is telling these
spokesmen what to say? For once, go against your typical knee-jerk response
that your own country is always wrong.

It amazes me how you always take the position against our troops and our
country's best interest, unerringly and completely, and build your case with
either no facts or totally bogus information.

You're turning into "Baghdad Mike." But that's okay -- I hear there's an
opening.

-- Stinger

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

It's not clear to me just who these prisioners were. I'm assuming they
were
POWs, but I don't know they weren't accused criminals or accused
terrorists.

It's also unclear why these prisoners were being abused. We don't know if
it was for revenge, or to get information. We don't know if the abuse was
a
cheap way to further a career.

I finally saw more pics of this stuff. I had only seen the guy on a box tied
to wires before. The rest of the pics look like hazing. Humiliating the
prisoners for kicks. Nothing deadly or torturous? Defiantly adolescent
behavior. I need more info to determine if this was torture?


--
73 Brian
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Stinger wrote:

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: helmsman

Good, now it's time for them to get back to killing the enemy!

It seems that they are killing many more innocent women and children than
insurgents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL

What a load of crap. Facts, Michael -- show me FACTS! This isn't some
"debating society" game, where the outcome doesn't matter. This is serious.

It is truly unfortunate that SOME have been killed, but it is a FACT that
the many insurgents are using them as "cover." If you're in a house that
has an RPG get launched by an insurgent out of one of its windows toward our
troops, you can expect a big load of whoopass coming back your way.

Additionally, these are not stupid people -- they're playing the P.R. game
with the willful help of Arab news services, etc., spouting any number of
untruths about both insurgent and civilian deaths, with the clear intent of
getting gullible people like you to believe them. With the insurgents in
charge of those hospitals, who in the hell do you think is telling these
spokesmen what to say? For once, go against your typical knee-jerk response
that your own country is always wrong.

It amazes me how you always take the position against our troops and our
country's best interest, unerringly and completely, and build your case with
either no facts or totally bogus information.

You're turning into "Baghdad Mike." But that's okay -- I hear there's an
opening.

Why does he do it? Because he's an academic, and they are predisposed to
Marxist/Socialist thought. It's just that simple.

He needs to be arrested and interred. Hopefully, someday, that will happen.

He may not realise it, but it's folks just like him who pose the greatest threat
this country has ever seen.

We are in the midst of fighting what will probably wind up being WWIII and we
have treasonous *******s like him still running around.

Wake up America.

From: N8KDV

Why does he do it? Because he's an academic, and they are predisposed to
Marxist/Socialist thought. It's just that simple.

Yes, all teachers get together once a week to plot the overthrow of this
nation. More ridiculous **** from this NG's most ridiculous moron.


He needs to be arrested and interred. Hopefully, someday, that will happen.

Yes, you are certainly a Patriot Act-type of guy. Screw free speech. Support
Bush or die seems to be your motto.


He may not realise it, but it's folks just like him who pose the greatest
threat
this country has ever seen.


Hey,, you certainly don't realize that fools like yourself are doing more to
give the terrorists a victory than you are capable of realizing. Destroying our
Constitutional freedoms plays directly into their hands.

We are in the midst of fighting what will probably wind up being WWIII and we
have treasonous *******s like him still running around.


Yes, if we follow the lead of morons, like yourself, we shall certainly end up
in WW3. But that's what you really want, right?

Wake up America.

Yes, wake up and see the neo-cons for exactly what they represent.












Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Michael 'I lied about my PhD' Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV

Why does he do it? Because he's an academic, and they are predisposed to
Marxist/Socialist thought. It's just that simple.

Yes, all teachers get together once a week to plot the overthrow of this
nation. More ridiculous **** from this NG's most ridiculous moron.


He needs to be arrested and interred. Hopefully, someday, that will happen.

Yes, you are certainly a Patriot Act-type of guy. Screw free speech. Support
Bush or die seems to be your motto.


He may not realise it, but it's folks just like him who pose the greatest
threat
this country has ever seen.


Hey,, you certainly don't realize that fools like yourself are doing more to
give the terrorists a victory than you are capable of realizing. Destroying our
Constitutional freedoms plays directly into their hands.

We are in the midst of fighting what will probably wind up being WWIII and we
have treasonous *******s like him still running around.


Yes, if we follow the lead of morons, like yourself, we shall certainly end up
in WW3. But that's what you really want, right?

Wake up America.

Yes, wake up and see the neo-cons for exactly what they represent.

More fabrications from the Fat Boy!