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Old May 9th 04, 06:58 AM
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"uncle arnie" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 11:11 pm -0600 UTC, coustanis


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"gil" wrote in message
k.net...
I just love the anything/everything goes attitude!

We should not have a drivers license either as long as we dont get into
accidents...right?
No licenses for guns or rifles, no licenses for flying a
plane...heck...License schicense

Grow up!


You should grow up and realise that:
1) There is a big difference between operating a motor vehicle and

talking
on the radio.
2) There is no license required for gun ownership in the US.


8 times the per capita murder rate than Canada: most are with guns. 20
times the murder rate of European countries.


That's true (although Europe is catching up) however, that wasn't the topic
of conversation.


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Old May 10th 04, 07:05 AM
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8 times the per capita murder rate than Canada: most are with guns. 20
times the murder rate of European countri


that isn't correct from a lot of the stuff I read.

those figures are counted from the U.S. having more people killed by that than
Canada or Europe.

But what those statistics left out is percentage wise, the U.S. has less
murders than Canada or Europe.

Canada has a smaller population than the U.S.

If both counteies murder rates were completely equal with 20 percent of
Canada's people murdering and 20 percent of the U.S. people murdering, those
statistics purposely make it sound like the U.S. has a higher percentage of
people murdering by purposely leaving out any mention of the percentages and
simply saying that a higher number of people in the U.S. commit murders than
the number of people in Canada that commits murders.

The facts in the U.S. show that the cities where guns are allowed have almost
no crime at all, and the cities that prohibit guns or severely restrict guns
have the most crime of all. And these weren't just some organizations
claims, but government statistics show it is so, also.


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Old May 10th 04, 07:13 AM
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That's true (although Europe is catching up) however, that wasn't the topic
of conversatio


of course Europe is catching up by having more murderers. They outlawed guns.

In the U.S., government statistics already show that the cities and states
where guns by the citizens are the most prohibited happen to have the highest
crime rates in the U.S. and the cities where guns by the citizens are the most
allowed happen to have the lowest crime rates in the U.S.

You know you just might be a redneck if you think that "gun control" means
using both hands.


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Old May 10th 04, 10:47 AM
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"Mediaguy500" wrote in message
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8 times the per capita murder rate than Canada: most are with guns. 20
times the murder rate of European countri


that isn't correct from a lot of the stuff I read.

those figures are counted from the U.S. having more people killed by that

than
Canada or Europe.

But what those statistics left out is percentage wise, the U.S. has less
murders than Canada or Europe.

Canada has a smaller population than the U.S.

If both counteies murder rates were completely equal with 20 percent of
Canada's people murdering and 20 percent of the U.S. people murdering,

those
statistics purposely make it sound like the U.S. has a higher percentage

of
people murdering by purposely leaving out any mention of the percentages

and
simply saying that a higher number of people in the U.S. commit murders

than
the number of people in Canada that commits murders.

The facts in the U.S. show that the cities where guns are allowed have

almost
no crime at all, and the cities that prohibit guns or severely restrict

guns
have the most crime of all. And these weren't just some organizations
claims, but government statistics show it is so, also.



"Per Capita" means per person or group of people. It applies the same
mathematically whether the group is 1 or 1,000,000. It is a ratio of murders
to the given population. In other words, if there is one murder per 10,000
people in one country, and one murder per 100,000 people in another country,
then the second country's per capita murder rate is 10x higher.



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Old May 11th 04, 06:46 AM
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In article ,
(Mediaguy500) wrote:

8 times the per capita murder rate than Canada: most are with guns.
20 times the murder rate of European countri


that isn't correct from a lot of the stuff I read.

those figures are counted from the U.S. having more people killed by
that than Canada or Europe.

But what those statistics left out is percentage wise, the U.S. has
less murders than Canada or Europe.

Canada has a smaller population than the U.S.

If both counteies murder rates were completely equal with 20 percent
of Canada's people murdering and 20 percent of the U.S. people
murdering, those statistics purposely make it sound like the U.S. has
a higher percentage of people murdering by purposely leaving out any
mention of the percentages and simply saying that a higher number of
people in the U.S. commit murders than the number of people in Canada
that commits murders.

The facts in the U.S. show that the cities where guns are allowed
have almost no crime at all, and the cities that prohibit guns or
severely restrict guns have the most crime of all. And these
weren't just some organizations claims, but government statistics
show it is so, also.


It's not rocket science that an armed population is less crime friendly
than one that has it's rights curtailed.

All you have to do is ask yourself if I was a criminal and wanted to
commit a violent crime which town would I want to ply my trade. 1. A
town where most people were armed. 2. A town where gun rights were
restricted and most were not armed.

Only a gun grabber or Michael Bryant would have trouble answering such a
complex question.

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Telamon
Ventura, California


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Old May 13th 04, 07:56 AM
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(Mediaguy500) wrote in message ...

I failed to get my ham radio liscence because of them, even though I know that
most of my answers were correct.

They just didn't want me to become a ham in order to keep their little ham club
"exclusive" to theirselves. and so they abused their priveleges.

I heard the local ham repeater frequency in the 144 to 148 mhz band, went to
the place they said, paid the money they said ( at least 3 times higher than
what it costs roday) and took my test (after studying of course).

The questions were not completely the same as the material that the book
taught. Most of them were completely different.

One of the questions on the actual ham test I took was "What is ATV and what
does it refer to"

I answered that it stood for "amateur tv" which some ham operators transmit.

After the test was over, the examiners (real hams. I had heaard them on my
local ham repeater including call letters and lalso listed in the ham directory
book) marked that question wrong and told me that that was the wrong answer and
that there is not any such thing as "ham tv" or "amateur tv" and that tv is not
allowed at all in any ham bands anywhere.

They then told me that the correct answer to that question is that "ATV" refers
only to ham radio sets that are installed in All-Terrain Vehicles".

And that was only one of the questions. They did the same thing with most of
the other questions also.

marking wrong what was definitely right,. and then coming up with phoney
answers that they claimed was the "correct answers" just to keep out people
that they didn't want or were predudiced against for some reason or another.

So now I say, bring back the days when the FCC gave the liscence exams instead
of letting local hams who abuse their priveleges when doing it doing it.


Personally, I think you are about as full of **** as a x-mas turkey as
far as this story, but if indeed this is a true story, why didn't you
call the fcc to inqure as to the status? Why not report the examiners
to the fcc? The stuff you say just doesn't flush. I think you made it
up. Such as the answer to the ATV question. Do you really expect me to
believe that crap? Sounds like a fish tale to me. When you take a
test, it must be given by three license holders. And you should have
all their names. If what you say is true, and you can prove it, "you
easily can, if this is true", Riley Hollingsworth would have their
asses for lunch. He lives for that crap. If they illegally overcharged
you? Ditto...He'd be on them like stink on doo-doo. But again, I think
this really is all just a fish tale. I bet you probably took the real
test, failed it, "probably the code test" , and now have your panties
in a twist. If I'm wrong, you can slap me. And hell yes, the questions
vary, and may be different than the study guide. They had a 500
question pool to choose from, and it is revised from time to time. I
just find it hard to believe that three hams would risk their licenses
to deny you a ticket just because you are ugly. What blatant BS...Most
all hams are ugly SOB's. Even many of the women...:/ MK
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Old May 13th 04, 08:00 AM
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"DeWayne" wrote in message ...
"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message



After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think
knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator.


Well, of course. Why would it? The CW test is used to test CW skill.
Nothing more, nothing less. :/ MK
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Old May 13th 04, 08:22 AM
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Mark Keith wrote:

After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think
knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator.



Well, of course. Why would it? The CW test is used to test CW skill.
Nothing more, nothing less. :/ MK


I would think it keeps the riff raff out. You have to be a bit more
dedicated to get that ticket.



mike
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