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N8KDV May 9th 04 04:36 PM



John Barnard wrote:

So what if VOA doesn't broadcast directly to North America!?! I can hear VOA
regularly in my part of Canada and I can tell you that my location in North
America isn't a target area for most shortwave stations. Radio Australia doesn't
broadcast to North America yet plenty of shortwave listeners in North America do
hear the station. Shortwave transmissions don't halt at their target areas. You
never know what you will hear until you try.


And that is the lure of the hobby for many above and beyond simply 'shortwave
listening'.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Telamon May 9th 04 07:46 PM

In article ,
Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

There are a number of spoilers that schedule information can't accomodate.
Propagation, receiver differences, antenna differences, local noise etc.,
etc. can render even the most up-to-date schedule information as seemingly
useless. In other words, without knowing everything that Jay tried, the
information was useful.


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?


Why are "you guys" being so stupid about this? Like Steve said you can
pick them up all the time since many broadcasts originate from north
America. If you can't get contenental broadcast of VOA it's time to buy
a new radio or get your ears checked.

Steve's original response was not nice but at least helpful in that he
provided a link to the schedule, which the complainers have not done.

Stop complaining and provide some help to the original poster who asked
the question.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

John Doty May 9th 04 10:08 PM

starman wrote:

Hey John, where have you been hiding?


Moved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)

I miss your contributions here.
I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really trying.
You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for the
OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?


Not getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna up
yet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great. But
the R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
antenna.

-jpd


Volker Tonn May 9th 04 10:53 PM


N8KDV schrieb:

Perhaps you still remember Checkpoint Charlie... I visited Berlin in the
late 70's. It was interesting seeing some of the places I had heard about
over the years.

A lot of history there, both very old, and of course more current.


I went to Berlin in spring of 1984 for employment reason.
I came (and I'm still coming) over a lot of interesting places in Berlin
at least due to my profession as plumper and heating installer on mobile
service.
My XYL had some relatives living in "eastern"-Berlin. We went to visit
them now and then. Every time it was a boring run through official
channels getting the permission.
Going on a "long weekend" vacation trip to "western" germany on the
'transit route' always began with a several hour stop at the 'Dreilinden
checkpoint' and a second stop when leaving GDR at 'Marienborn
checkpoint' as there were LOTS of people going to leave Berlin for a few
days. On normal road trffic you could pass the 115 miles through GDR
within 3 hours checkipoint passing included. But on such weekends it was
about 7 to 9 hours... had to go additional 250 miles when visiting my
own relatives near cologne.
My eldest son was born in september 1989 just a few weeks before the
wall felt down and I'm very happy my children can grow up in a city not
surrounded by walls and fences much more effective and dangerous than
the USA/Mexican border.
We like it very much to make a days trip to the 'eastern sea/baltic
sea'. Its just two and a half hours away. You could not even _think_
about such a trip before 1989...


John Barnard May 9th 04 11:04 PM

I am wondering if by "you guys" you are including me as I agree with Steve on this
issue. The site to the schedule information is a great way to start. VT's the one
having the static fit over the information that Steve posted. I made the statement
that propagation and radio and antennas also play a part in reception and that
there are mitigating factors with reception that supercede any schedule
information. Many DXers here know all about solar conditions killing reception.

I have also emailed the original poster to see if he knew about the ILG database
as it does have a wealth of information including transmitter sites, target areas
and beam directions, etc.

Hope this clarifies a few things.

John Barnard

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

There are a number of spoilers that schedule information can't accomodate.
Propagation, receiver differences, antenna differences, local noise etc.,
etc. can render even the most up-to-date schedule information as seemingly
useless. In other words, without knowing everything that Jay tried, the
information was useful.


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?


Why are "you guys" being so stupid about this? Like Steve said you can
pick them up all the time since many broadcasts originate from north
America. If you can't get contenental broadcast of VOA it's time to buy
a new radio or get your ears checked.

Steve's original response was not nice but at least helpful in that he
provided a link to the schedule, which the complainers have not done.

Stop complaining and provide some help to the original poster who asked
the question.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California



Volker Tonn May 9th 04 11:23 PM



John Barnard schrieb:

I have also emailed the original poster to see if he knew about the ILG database
as it does have a wealth of information including transmitter sites, target areas
and beam directions, etc.


Unfotunately there is actually no database available for download on
ILG. The B03 has gone and the A04 is (still) not yet available :-(


N8KDV May 9th 04 11:29 PM



Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

I have also emailed the original poster to see if he knew about the ILG database
as it does have a wealth of information including transmitter sites, target areas
and beam directions, etc.


Unfotunately there is actually no database available for download on
ILG. The B03 has gone and the A04 is (still) not yet available :-(


Try the skeds at:

http://www.eibi.de.vu/

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B





RHF May 10th 04 12:47 AM

= = = Telamon wrote in message
= = = ...
In article ,
Volker Tonn wrote:

John Barnard schrieb:

There are a number of spoilers that schedule information can't accomodate.
Propagation, receiver differences, antenna differences, local noise etc.,
etc. can render even the most up-to-date schedule information as seemingly
useless. In other words, without knowing everything that Jay tried, the
information was useful.


So where is a VOA transmission directed(!) to NE-america?
There is NONE. So what chance would be to get VOA there?


Why are "you guys" being so stupid about this? Like Steve said you can
pick them up all the time since many broadcasts originate from north
America. If you can't get contenental broadcast of VOA it's time to buy
a new radio or get your ears checked.


TELAMON,

And lets not forget the Shortwave Listener "SWL" Antenna System.

REMEMBER: "The Shortwave and AM/MW Antenna is 55.5% . . .
of the Radio/Receiver and Antenna/Ground Reception Equation"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/288
A Shortwave Antenna is "Equally" Important for Good Reception [.]
..
..
iane ~ RHF
..
..
Steve's original response was not nice but at least helpful
in that he provided a link to the schedule,
which the complainers have not done.

Stop complaining and provide some help to the original poster
who asked the question.

..

Pete & Renee Davis May 10th 04 02:00 AM

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html
Hello John,
pI just received an SW100 last week that I won on ebay. It's in great
shape and I'm really enjoying it. The analog slide rule tuning with speed
and fine tuning knobs are more fun to use for SW and MW band scanning than
the digital buttons on my Degen 1102, even though the scale on my SW100
seems to be about a 1/4 inch low. The radio itself is certainly not as
portable, but the speaker quality is easier to listen to than the small
Degen speaker, too.
pLooking around on the internet, I haven't been able to locate a whole
lot of information about this radio. I posted a query on the Radio Shack
group list but haven't heard anything yet. If you or anyone else on the
list can answer any of these questions, I'd appreciate your input.
pWhat are other users' impressions of this radio?
pWhen were they sold by Radio Shack?
pWhat were they thinking when they added the "direction finder"?
pDoes anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the users manual?
pHas anyone come up with any mods?
pLooking forward to some learning more from the list.
pPete Davis
br 
pJohn Doty wrote:
blockquote TYPE=CITEstarman wrote:
p Hey John, where have you been hiding?
pMoved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)
p I miss your contributions here.
br I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really
trying.
br You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for
the
br OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?
pNot getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna
up
bryet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great.
But
brthe R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
brantenna.
p-jpd/blockquote
/html


John Doty May 10th 04 02:03 AM

Sorry, mine's a Sony ICF-SW100: a completely different radio!

Pete & Renee Davis wrote:
Hello John,

I just received an SW100 last week that I won on ebay. It's in great
shape and I'm really enjoying it. The analog slide rule tuning with
speed and fine tuning knobs are more fun to use for SW and MW band
scanning than the digital buttons on my Degen 1102, even though the
scale on my SW100 seems to be about a 1/4 inch low. The radio itself is
certainly not as portable, but the speaker quality is easier to listen
to than the small Degen speaker, too.

Looking around on the internet, I haven't been able to locate a whole
lot of information about this radio. I posted a query on the Radio Shack
group list but haven't heard anything yet. If you or anyone else on the
list can answer any of these questions, I'd appreciate your input.

What are other users' impressions of this radio?

When were they sold by Radio Shack?

What were they thinking when they added the "direction finder"?

Does anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the users manual?

Has anyone come up with any mods?

Looking forward to some learning more from the list.

Pete Davis


John Doty wrote:

starman wrote:

Hey John, where have you been hiding?


Moved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)

I miss your contributions here.
I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really

trying.
You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for the
OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?


Not getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna up
yet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great. But
the R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
antenna.

-jpd



Pete & Renee Davis May 10th 04 02:09 AM

!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"
html
Yep. I realized that about 10 seconds after I hit the Send button. *Blush*
pAny one else got a Radio Shack SW100?
pPete Davis
pJohn Doty wrote:
blockquote TYPE=CITESorry, mine's a Sony ICF-SW100: a completely different
radio!
pPete & Renee Davis wrote:
br Hello John,
br
br I just received an SW100 last week that I won on ebay. It's in great
br shape and I'm really enjoying it. The analog slide rule tuning with
br speed and fine tuning knobs are more fun to use for SW and MW band
br scanning than the digital buttons on my Degen 1102, even though the
br scale on my SW100 seems to be about a 1/4 inch low. The radio itself
is
br certainly not as portable, but the speaker quality is easier to listen
br to than the small Degen speaker, too.
br
br Looking around on the internet, I haven't been able to locate a whole
br lot of information about this radio. I posted a query on the Radio
Shack
br group list but haven't heard anything yet. If you or anyone else
on the
br list can answer any of these questions, I'd appreciate your input.
br
br What are other users' impressions of this radio?
br
br When were they sold by Radio Shack?
br
br What were they thinking when they added the "direction finder"?
br
br Does anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the users manual?
br
br Has anyone come up with any mods?
br
br Looking forward to some learning more from the list.
br
br Pete Davis
br
br
br John Doty wrote:
br
br starman wrote:
br
br Hey John, where have you been hiding?
br
br Moved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)
br
br I miss your contributions here.
br I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really
br trying.
br You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry
for the
br OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?
br
br Not getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna
up
br yet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great.
But
br the R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
br antenna.
br
br -jpd
br/blockquote
/html


Phil Wheeler May 10th 04 03:49 AM

Look he

http://www.radioshack.com/ProdSuppor...D=3152&T=h tm

The files there are dated 1995.

Phil

Pete & Renee Davis wrote:

Hello John,

I just received an SW100 last week that I won on ebay. It's in great
shape and I'm really enjoying it. The analog slide rule tuning with
speed and fine tuning knobs are more fun to use for SW and MW band
scanning than the digital buttons on my Degen 1102, even though the
scale on my SW100 seems to be about a 1/4 inch low. The radio itself is
certainly not as portable, but the speaker quality is easier to listen
to than the small Degen speaker, too.

Looking around on the internet, I haven't been able to locate a whole
lot of information about this radio. I posted a query on the Radio Shack
group list but haven't heard anything yet. If you or anyone else on the
list can answer any of these questions, I'd appreciate your input.

What are other users' impressions of this radio?

When were they sold by Radio Shack?

What were they thinking when they added the "direction finder"?

Does anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the users manual?

Has anyone come up with any mods?

Looking forward to some learning more from the list.

Pete Davis


John Doty wrote:

starman wrote:

Hey John, where have you been hiding?


Moved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)

I miss your contributions here.
I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really

trying.
You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for the
OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?


Not getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna up
yet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great. But
the R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
antenna.

-jpd



starman May 10th 04 09:19 AM

John Doty wrote:

starman wrote:

Hey John, where have you been hiding?


Moved to Colorado. Learning to breathe at 8500 feet :-)

I miss your contributions here.
I'm still trying to keep things on topic but it's getting really trying.
You can see what happened just with this thread. I feel sorry for the
OP. Do you hang out on any other groups for your shortwave 'fix'?


Not getting enough of a fix right now. Haven't gotten a good antenna up
yet. Site is real quiet: reception outside with the SW100 is great. But
the R8 doesn't work so well in the gadget-laden house with a makeshift
antenna.

-jpd


Let us know what reception is like out there when you get a good antenna
up for the R8. I think you know how to make a low noise antenna. :-)


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WShoots1 May 10th 04 01:05 PM

I figure I get many signals after they have skipped around the world. Too, the
beamed radiation pattern gets wider and wider the farther it is from a station.

Bill, K5BY

N8KDV May 10th 04 01:11 PM



WShoots1 wrote:

I figure I get many signals after they have skipped around the world. Too, the
beamed radiation pattern gets wider and wider the farther it is from a station.


Have you heard of spherical convergence?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



WShoots1 May 11th 04 06:36 AM

N8KDV: Have you heard of spherical convergence?

I don't recall that term; please enlighten me. I presume, though, it, whatever
it is, would only affect coherent radiation.

Bill, K5BY

RHF May 11th 04 09:22 AM

JAY,

This is why a Receive ONLY Shortwave Listeners (SWL) Antenna
one that is Omni-Directional generally works better then one
that is intended to be directional.

* The SWL Version of the Inverted "L" Antenna works well as
an Omni-Directional Antenna. The SWL Inverted "L" Antenna
usually has a Vertical 'Leg' that is 1/3 to 1/2 the Length of
the Length of Horizontal 'Arm'. Plus the SWL Inverted "L"
Antenna usually is lower to the Ground. This closeness to the
Surface of the Ground results in the SWL Inverted "L" Antenna
being a form of "Near Vertical Incident Skywave" {NVIS} Antenna.
NVIS= http://www.qsl.net/k5eph/nvis.htm

* These SWL Versions of the Inverted "L" Antennas can be any
size because they are in-fact simply Random Wire Antennas that
are designed to fit the available space.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...nna/message/54

* The Inverted "L" Antenna 'Shape' lends itself to the Design
Concepts of a "Low Noise Antenna" that has been popularized
by John Doty; consisting of: Antenna Element; Matching Transformer;
Grounding Point; Coax Cable Feed-in-Line; Radio/Receiver.
DOTY= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...enna/message/2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/374
- Two Reasons to use a Balun (Matching Transformer)
with a Receive Only Antenna.
DOTY= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante..._longwire.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/150
- Magnetic Longwire Balun (MLB) - Build Your Own "DIY"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/177
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/466
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/467
- Balun Reading List ( Long )
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/337
- The "Grounding-Point" = Ground Rods and Ground Wires ETC.
DOTY= http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/antennas/grounding.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/425
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/ground/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/470
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/539

For those who want a 'Set of Numbers' to Build their SWL Inverted
"L" Antenna here are a few 'Sets of Numbers' to consider for your
available space:
- 10Ft High Vertical 'Leg' with a 20-30Ft Horazontal Arm
having a Total Lenght of 30-40 Feet. Also: 20x40-60 & 30x60-90
- 15Ft High Vertical 'Leg' with a 30-45Ft Horazontal Arm
having a Total Lenght of 45-60 Feet.
- 25Ft High Vertical 'Leg' with a 50-75Ft Horazontal Arm
having a Total Lenght of 75-100 Feet.
- 35Ft High Vertical 'Leg' with a 70-105Ft Horazontal Arm
having a Total Lenght of 105-140 Feet.

NOTE: The Amateur/HAM Inverted "L" Antenna is usually made-up
of Two Equal Sections One Vertical 'Leg' and One Horazontal 'Arm'.
These Two Equal Section can be:
* 1/8th Wavelength = Quarter Wavelength Total
* 1/4th Wavelength = Half Wavelength Total
* 1/2th Wavelength = One Wavelength Total
Because of the 'equal' porportionality, the Amateur/HAM
Inverted "L" Antenna is most often Higher above the Ground
then the SWL Version.
Dr. Ace's [WH2T] Inverted L Antenna Info
ACR= http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/invertedl.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/309


iane ~ RHF
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= = = Jay Heyl wrote in message
= = = ...
In article ,
says...
Sorry my questions caused you so much anger. I was asking if anyone could
tell me about what is going on at the VOA and if anyone could report on any
signals they might still be able to receive for VOA. They seemed like
reasonable questions for this forum.


I regularly get strong VOA signals intended for Africa at lunch time
here on the west coast. I've never taken the time to try to figure out
where they're coming from. These broadcasts are mostly African futbol
scores and discussions, along with the occasional human interest story
and American pop song. The only time I listen is if BBC or R.
Netherlands aren't coming in that day.

-- Jay

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