[ OT ] Is our climate nearing the tipping point?
 

A report that argues global warming is a greater threat to world security than
terrorism and predicts a warming future where "disruption and conflict will be
endemic features of life," may sound like it came from a radical environmental
group - but it didn't.
Unless you consider the Pentagon a radical environmental group.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/...03/368968.html

= = = (Soames123) wrote in message
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A report that argues global warming is a greater threat to world
security than terrorism and predicts a warming future where
"disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,"
may sound like it came from a radical environmental group -
but it didn't.

Unless you consider the Pentagon a radical environmental group.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/...03/368968.html

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SOAMES 123,

Thank You for:
* Using (OT) in the Subject Line.
* Stating your Point of View.
* Providing a Link for Validation.

To QUOTE you Source:

"Of course, this is the Pentagon talking about worst-case scenarios."

But, David Suzuki does give Us All... Something to Think About !

jm2cw ~ RHF

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"Soames123" wrote in message
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A report that argues global warming is a greater threat to world
security than
terrorism and predicts a warming future where "disruption and
conflict will be
endemic features of life," may sound like it came from a radical
environmental
group - but it didn't.
Unless you consider the Pentagon a radical environmental group.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/...03/368968.html

This has been out for awhile but it's legitimate with two
qualifications. The report was not really produced by the Pentagon
per se but by a consultant under a commission. This isn't that big a
deal, but to say it "came from" the Pentagon is a slight stretch.
Second, AFAIK, the report did not say that this degree of global
warming is preventable in the sense that "man-made" (as opposed to
"natural") events are driving the issue. Expect a lot of attention
to this problem after "The Day After Tomorrow" hits the theaters. I
wonder if Art Bell is getting any points on the net revenue.

In article ,
"T. Early" wrote:

"Soames123" wrote in message
...


A report that argues global warming is a greater threat to world
security than terrorism and predicts a warming future where
"disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life," may
sound like it came from a radical environmental group - but it
didn't. Unless you consider the Pentagon a radical environmental
group.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/...03/368968.html

This has been out for awhile but it's legitimate with two
qualifications. The report was not really produced by the Pentagon
per se but by a consultant under a commission. This isn't that big a
deal, but to say it "came from" the Pentagon is a slight stretch.
Second, AFAIK, the report did not say that this degree of global
warming is preventable in the sense that "man-made" (as opposed to
"natural") events are driving the issue. Expect a lot of attention
to this problem after "The Day After Tomorrow" hits the theaters. I
wonder if Art Bell is getting any points on the net revenue.

You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Is that your mantra?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been going pretty radically up
since we started burning coal. Patterns is the last 600 years are
unique. They do not have historical precedent that we can discern
from ice and geological records.

Regardless, if we are near the tipping point, it's way too late to
reverse the inevitable. Man, we live in interesting times!

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT, Telamon
wrote:


You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.

Well, tel, you 'd better put George
( "Hi , My Names, George, I'm An Alchoholic") Bush
and his administration in the total nut-case column;

They admit they have found sections in The Bible that show Greenhouse Gases
deforestation and other activitied of man are
very suspect affecting our climate worldwide.

Dan


In article ,
Telamon writes:

Subject: [ OT ] Is our climate nearing the tipping point?
From: Telamon
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT

In article ,
"T. Early" wrote:

"Soames123" wrote in message
...


A report that argues global warming is a greater threat to world
security than terrorism and predicts a warming future where
"disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life," may
sound like it came from a radical environmental group - but it
didn't. Unless you consider the Pentagon a radical environmental
group.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/...03/368968.html

This has been out for awhile but it's legitimate with two
qualifications. The report was not really produced by the Pentagon
per se but by a consultant under a commission. This isn't that big a
deal, but to say it "came from" the Pentagon is a slight stretch.
Second, AFAIK, the report did not say that this degree of global
warming is preventable in the sense that "man-made" (as opposed to
"natural") events are driving the issue. Expect a lot of attention
to this problem after "The Day After Tomorrow" hits the theaters. I
wonder if Art Bell is getting any points on the net revenue.

You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David wrote:
Is that your mantra?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been going pretty radically up
since we started burning coal. Patterns is the last 600 years are
unique. They do not have historical precedent that we can discern
from ice and geological records.

Regardless, if we are near the tipping point, it's way too late to
reverse the inevitable. Man, we live in interesting times!

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT, Telamon
wrote:



You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.



There may be a problem with the oceans absorbing co2. When the water
gets warmer it can hold less gas in solution. If it ever starts giving
OFF this stored gas, we're doomed, as the cyle will be self perpetuating.

The above hypothesis is not at this site, but some good numbers,
regardless.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002...mancarbon.html


Add water vapor to the mix and the problem compounds exponentially

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...104254688.html



mike

Yeah, evidence around the world from Coral die -off indicates the water temp is
Rising;
- - Which Means tha it's load of Dissolved Gases will be headed into the
Atmosphere.
Coral skeleton disintegration will release more CO2 into the surrounding
water..
Accelerating CO2 content of the Atmosphere..
- AND

( We're Doomed... )

- Either that or just Pump More Oil to Burn to either Warm Us Up ( Cooling /
Ice Age)
Or Cool Us Down
& Pump the water elsewhere ( Warming trend / Rising Sea Level)

- So , Thanks to our Good Freinds Who Supply The Oil,
you really don't have a thing to worry about..

In article EPNpc.10767$RM.5570@edtnps89, m II
writes:

Subject: [ OT ] Is our climate nearing the tipping point?
From: m II
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:48:20 GMT

David wrote:
Is that your mantra?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been going pretty radically up
since we started burning coal. Patterns is the last 600 years are
unique. They do not have historical precedent that we can discern
from ice and geological records.

Regardless, if we are near the tipping point, it's way too late to
reverse the inevitable. Man, we live in interesting times!

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT, Telamon
wrote:



You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.



There may be a problem with the oceans absorbing co2. When the water
gets warmer it can hold less gas in solution. If it ever starts giving
OFF this stored gas, we're doomed, as the cyle will be self perpetuating.

The above hypothesis is not at this site, but some good numbers,
regardless.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002...mancarbon.html


Add water vapor to the mix and the problem compounds exponentially

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...104254688.html



mike

Do a Nexus search. You'll see that in the 1970's that the fear was "Global
Cooling." It was actually a cover story for Time magazine.

-- Stinger

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...

Yeah, evidence around the world from Coral die -off indicates the water
temp is
Rising;
- - Which Means tha it's load of Dissolved Gases will be headed into the
Atmosphere.
Coral skeleton disintegration will release more CO2 into the surrounding
water..
Accelerating CO2 content of the Atmosphere..
- AND

( We're Doomed... )

- Either that or just Pump More Oil to Burn to either Warm Us Up (
Cooling /
Ice Age)
Or Cool Us Down
& Pump the water elsewhere ( Warming trend / Rising Sea Level)

- So , Thanks to our Good Freinds Who Supply The Oil,
you really don't have a thing to worry about..

In article EPNpc.10767$RM.5570@edtnps89, m II
writes:

Subject: [ OT ] Is our climate nearing the tipping point?
From: m II
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:48:20 GMT

David wrote:
Is that your mantra?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been going pretty radically up
since we started burning coal. Patterns is the last 600 years are
unique. They do not have historical precedent that we can discern
from ice and geological records.

Regardless, if we are near the tipping point, it's way too late to
reverse the inevitable. Man, we live in interesting times!

On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:51:58 GMT, Telamon
wrote:



You have to be a total nut-case to argue global warming is man made.
There is billions of watts of energy going in and out of the atmosphere
on a daily basis that eventually determines the air temperature. Man's
energy output and use is negligible by comparison. Changes in the
atmospheric chemistry are natural and changes in climate are natural
whatever direction it is going.



There may be a problem with the oceans absorbing co2. When the water
gets warmer it can hold less gas in solution. If it ever starts giving
OFF this stored gas, we're doomed, as the cyle will be self perpetuating.

The above hypothesis is not at this site, but some good numbers,
regardless.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002...mancarbon.html


Add water vapor to the mix and the problem compounds exponentially


http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...0104254688.htm
l



mike

From: "Stinger"

Do a Nexus search. You'll see that in the 1970's that the fear was "Global
Cooling." It was actually a cover story for Time magazine.

And you'll see that that research was sponsored by the CIA to counter global
warming scientists who were starting to emerge in the early 70's. Some of the
reports even encouraged CO2 emissions to "balance out" cooling trends. Do a
search on a guy named Idso.

Interestingly, the latest models of greenhouse dynamics actually do predict
localized cooling trends as warmer ocean temperatures disrupt traditional
oceanic currents. Scientists studying greenhouse dynamics have long predicted
an ice age in Europe from the disruption of the North Atlantic current.

The consenus among reputable scientists on greenhouse warming is overwhelming.


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