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There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For
one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
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Boy are you in your own little world. International shortwave
broadcasts from any country that is not sponsored by a religious group cost that country money. Usually used for propaganda by the nazis, communists, anarchist or some political nut case. These countries are in a budget cutting era and they are finding that with satellite and internet and cable that they can reach more people with fewer of their dollars expended. They really don't care about the poor African with the wind up radio. That's for their little country to deal with. Is shortwave dead. Yes, as we now know it. Programming and broadcast hours is getting smaller all the time. The world is trying to keep up with it self and get into the 21st century. Now tell me how Amateur Radio is the savior of military communications and in a national emercency the Hams will come through with jammed repeaters and morse code. Just another hobby that is dead or will be shortly. Money talks and the international broadcasters know that the money isn't with shortwave radio. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. "Pierre" wrote in message m... There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
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Just another chicken little announcing the sky is falling.
Pierre "no_spam_here" wrote in message om... Boy are you in your own little world. International shortwave broadcasts from any country that is not sponsored by a religious group cost that country money. Usually used for propaganda by the nazis, communists, anarchist or some political nut case. These countries are in a budget cutting era and they are finding that with satellite and internet and cable that they can reach more people with fewer of their dollars expended. They really don't care about the poor African with the wind up radio. That's for their little country to deal with. Is shortwave dead. Yes, as we now know it. Programming and broadcast hours is getting smaller all the time. The world is trying to keep up with it self and get into the 21st century. Now tell me how Amateur Radio is the savior of military communications and in a national emercency the Hams will come through with jammed repeaters and morse code. Just another hobby that is dead or will be shortly. Money talks and the international broadcasters know that the money isn't with shortwave radio. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. "Pierre" wrote in message m... There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
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"RJ" wrote in message ... On 11 Jun 2004 22:44:54 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ; Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; They can power up a PC, Write their message in multiple languages. advantage; Besides being cheaper for the "broadcaster" It actually reaches the PC literate in a country, and chances are they're the people you want to reach. Back to SWLing; Perhaps my view is colored by SWLing in the US, where it's probably the hobby of a few, rather than the communication media for the many. I guess there are countrys where folks rely on SW for their news/info/entertainment...... But then, wouldn't they listen to their own country feeds ?? Short answer: Usually not. Most of the countries that count on SW for their news and such are also countries where the government (and therefor government owned radio) is much more likely than not to lie to them, and they want to hear from other sources. This is why SW broadcasting began in the first place. In most of those smaller countries, SW cannot serve the country itself, because of the skip zone. |
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RJ wrote:
On 11 Jun 2004 22:44:54 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ; Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; I think the reality of this particular situation is that the religious funded Trans World Radio folks are the owners of this installation (built 40 years ago, btw) and I'd bet Radio Netherlands gets their air time gratis in exchange as part of the deal. -BM |
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no_spam_here wrote: Pierre The sky has fallen, you just haven't been hit yet. BBC and R Norway Duetchewelle and others are lighting the way for others. Just stay in your own little world. Ya know, Radio Shack isn't really a good barometer but even they dropped all of their Rat Shack branded SW items. A pretty good sign of the times and the demise of SW broadcasting as we know it. If there was money inSW radios, Rat Shack would have as much as they could get instead they bailed. So has the sky fallen. Cover your head. There is almost zero SW broadcast content any more. Be the last to figure it out. Even Radio Havana has cut broadcast hours in an attempt to fund something useful such as supplying the people toilet tissue. Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Yep, I heard that 30+ years ago... Guess what? It hasn't happened yet. But tell ya what, why don't you just toss what ever radio you're using into the dust bin and hit the road. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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"RJ" wrote in message ... Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; They can power up a PC, Write their message in multiple languages. advantage; Besides being cheaper for the "broadcaster" It actually reaches the PC literate in a country, and chances are they're the people you want to reach. That depends. There might be a number of Finns in a given country which has poor internet access. Broadcasting to expatriots is still a perfectly good use of SW broadcasting. SW broadcasting started with the colonial powers such as Great Britian and The Netherlands broadcasting programming from home to their people abroad. Using radio for propaganda and public diplomacy started during WW2 and continued through the Cold War. Back to SWLing; Perhaps my view is colored by SWLing in the US, where it's probably the hobby of a few, rather than the communication media for the many. I guess there are countrys where folks rely on SW for their news/info/entertainment...... But then, wouldn't they listen to their own country feeds ?? rj Many, or most, of the tropical band stations have disappeared. They've been replaced by FM stations and FM repeaters. Frank Dresser |
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"no_spam_here" wrote in message om... [snip] Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Propaganda radio still serves a purpose in broadcasting to nations with restricted media such as China and Cuba. Frank Dresser |
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