In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.


It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.


--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes at p a n i x . c o m

Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.

At least at this point in time Air America is a flop, and as I stated originally,
just as predicted.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.


Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.



--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes at p a n i x . c o m

Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.


Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.

It's a rare startup company that begins with the lies and deceit of Air America!

It's one thing to have a 'business model', and an entirely different thing if one is not
following it.

Proposals look great on paper, it's what is put into practice that finally tells the
tale.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

hate it! but it couldn't happen to nicer bunch of demoNAZIS
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had
less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for
Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even
bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America
story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous
"Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say
they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York
launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought
the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its
owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen
concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network
started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The
"Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the
liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip
Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known
problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new
investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen,
but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't
do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in
the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc.....
now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be
breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.


Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.

It's a rare startup company that begins with the lies and deceit of Air
America!

It's one thing to have a 'business model', and an entirely different thing
if one is not
following it.

Proposals look great on paper, it's what is put into practice that finally
tells the
tale.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"Al Dykes" wrote in message
...

Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but
it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.


The article says very little about the "new" Air America and is
decidedly negative about the "old" one in general and Mr. Cohen in
particular. To the extent the present business plan is discussed, it
says this:
"Air America's investors created a new company, Piquant LLC, which
bought the assets of the old company, named a new CEO and simplified
its business plan. Rather than buying stations or leasing time, Air
America is following a more conventional route, allowing local
stations to pick up portions of the lineup. It's on the air in New
York and 14 other markets including Portland, Ore., and Chapel Hill,
N.C."

It does have some interesting information on Franken's efforts to get
paid. He makes one million for his efforts BTW, indicating that he's
not exactly working for principle.

"T. Early" wrote in message
...

[snip]


It does have some interesting information on Franken's efforts to get
paid. He makes one million for his efforts BTW, indicating that he's
not exactly working for principle.




If they don't turn Air America around, he may not even get the interest!!

Frank Dresser

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.




They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.


They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

Air America doesn't need to run a network either, all they need to do is sell a
program, and to date, the program isn't selling, at least in mainstream America.

It's nice to quote figures from New York City and environs, but they should be
an easy sell there, right?

The bottom line is and remains, they just ain't making it, as predicted.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

dxAce wrote:

Frank Dresser wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.


They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

Air America doesn't need to run a network either, all they need to do is sell a
program, and to date, the program isn't selling, at least in mainstream America.

It's nice to quote figures from New York City and environs, but they should be
an easy sell there, right?

The bottom line is and remains, they just ain't making it, as predicted.

One thing I forgot to add, and that is, that I consider Air America to be like
flatulence; it may be necessary, but it's not very nice!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm