Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth dxAce in :

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in
NYC.

12+ ratings are meaningless to advertisers. The demo most followed is 25-54.

From http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/238604.html,
normally a reliable source for such things:

Ratings for 10-3:
25-54 WABC 2.7 WLIB 2.2

Ratings for 3-7:
25-54 WABC 3.1 WLIB 2.2

So as you can see, WLIB (a 30,000 watt station with a not-so-great signal) is
doing quite respectably against the WABC 50,000 watt powerhouse in the 25-54
demo, considering that the rating is for only its second month carrying the
new format. Considering that Clear Channel, not known to tolerate money-
losing formats, just this week put Air America (basically the same schedule
they have had great success with on Portland OR's KPOJ) on its Miami WINZ, I
think we can safely say that reports of Air America's demise have been
greatly exaggerated.

Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on a message
board.

dxAce

dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo.

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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo.

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Oh, well there's a bit of hope for you! So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

-- Stinger

Quoth "Stinger" in news:UhZKc.407$NQ5.156
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

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charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Tom Betz wrote:
Quoth "Stinger" in news:UhZKc.407$NQ5.156
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

http://www.nyradioguide.com/index.shtml suggests they're not doing so
hot: "Ill-fated WNEW-FM (102.7) again fared poorly, earning only a 1.5
share, while the Air America format on WLIB (1190 AM) remained flat at
1.3."

Other newsgroup articles have said that AA is beating Limbaugh, as judged
by WLIB having had higher ratings than WABC. The July 16 ratings have WABC
tied for 7th place with 3.7, while WLIB is in 24th place. The article you
cite admits Limbaugh's station is doing better.

Sorta hokey that Crain's compares WLIB's ratings to WOR's for O'Reilly
and someone else I never heard of. The last time I saw a list of
conservative talk show hosts in order of popularity, O'Reilly was
somewhere around tenth place. If Crain's wants to play that way,
perhaps they should compare to the ratings of Percy Dovetonsils, who
isn't on the air at all and has a solid zero rating. "WLIB beats the
pants off Dovetonsils!"

http://www.nyradioguide.com/ratings.htm lists only five stations doing
worse than WLIB; two of them are religious programming. It also shows
WOR no less than 1.8 for fall/winter/spring, with WLIB no higher than
1.3 during the same three ratings periods.

And when it comes down to it, you're talking about New York City,
arguably the biggest bastion of leftism in the country. Even liberal
Chicago couldn't support AA. (Did WNTD ever get paid?)

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Quoth clifto in :

Even liberal Chicago couldn't support AA. (Did WNTD ever get paid?)

Actualy, it was doing quite well, but the contract dispute over the LA
station caused the Chicago station (also owned by Arthur Liu) to be lost.

Arthur Liu had always been paid in full for the Chicago station -- the now-
departed AA management mishandled the dispute over the LA station. If the
Guam Republicans had dealt with the matter more responsibly, AA would still
be on the air there AND in LA.

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"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Quoth clifto in :


Sorta hokey that Crain's compares WLIB's ratings to WOR's for O'Reilly
and someone else I never heard of.

Bob Grant. Well known in New York. A prototypical race-baiting right-
winger.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth clifto in
:


Sorta hokey that Crain's compares WLIB's ratings to WOR's for
O'Reilly
and someone else I never heard of.

Bob Grant. Well known in New York. A prototypical race-baiting
right-
winger.


Considering all the prototypical race-baiting left wingers in
NYC--some of whom actually hold public office--I doubt Grant's
"influence" is of any significance.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:08:46 -0500, clifto wrote:

Tom Betz wrote:
Quoth "Stinger" in news:UhZKc.407$NQ5.156
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

http://www.nyradioguide.com/index.shtml suggests they're not doing so
hot: "Ill-fated WNEW-FM (102.7) again fared poorly, earning only a 1.5
share, while the Air America format on WLIB (1190 AM) remained flat at
1.3."

Other newsgroup articles have said that AA is beating Limbaugh, as judged
by WLIB having had higher ratings than WABC. The July 16 ratings have WABC
tied for 7th place with 3.7, while WLIB is in 24th place. The article you
cite admits Limbaugh's station is doing better.
Some preliminary numbers from a few weeks ago seemed to show WLIB
doing better in some demographics. The full report showed that not to
be the case. In fact, Limbaugh's ratings are up and WLIB's are near
what they were before AA came on the air.

= = = Mitchell Kaufman wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:08:46 -0500, clifto wrote:

Tom Betz wrote:
Quoth "Stinger" in news:UhZKc.407$NQ5.156
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

http://www.nyradioguide.com/index.shtml suggests they're not doing so
hot: "Ill-fated WNEW-FM (102.7) again fared poorly, earning only a 1.5
share, while the Air America format on WLIB (1190 AM) remained flat at
1.3."

Other newsgroup articles have said that AA is beating Limbaugh, as judged
by WLIB having had higher ratings than WABC. The July 16 ratings have WABC
tied for 7th place with 3.7, while WLIB is in 24th place. The article you
cite admits Limbaugh's station is doing better.
Some preliminary numbers from a few weeks ago seemed to show WLIB
doing better in some demographics. The full report showed that not to
be the case. In fact, Limbaugh's ratings are up and WLIB's are near
what they were before AA came on the air.

MK,

Rush says that if he can get a 'potential' Listener to listen
everyday for six weeks. That they will become a 'regular'
Listener some becasue the like and agree with him. Others
because they Love to Hate Him ) But they all count as
Listeners.

~ RHF

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