"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

Apparently amended to read: (corrected to read)

Item #24

Presidential Unit Citation Ribbon
Navy Unit Citation Ribbon

Republic of Vietnam MUC Gallantry Cross
Medal Color with Palm
Republic of Vietnam MUC Civil Action
Medal Color with Palm

Delete: Vietnam Service Medal
Add: Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars.

Date: 20010312
Official Authorized To Sign: Martin, Dena M.
Grade: GS-11 Title: Head,
Retired Records Section


I have no idea whether this negates
the awards listed (snip)


No, it simply adds the two "Unit Citation" ribbons and the two "Republic
of Vietnam MUC" medals, and replaces the "Vietnam Service Medal," with the
"Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars."

Stewart

= = = "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"helmsman" wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never
been issued by any branch of the
military. (snip)


Actually, if anyone is lying, it would have to be the Navy doing so since
it's their DD-214.

Kerry's web site, on the other hand, only mentions a Bronze Star with
Combat V....

"As he was about to graduate from Yale,
John Kerry volunteered to serve in
Vietnam. His leadership, courage, and
sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star with Combat V, and three
Purple Hearts."

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Stewart

DS,

Forget John 'ff' Kerry's 'questionable' Military Service Record.

Disregard John 'ff' Kerry's Lies before Congress (some would call
it Treason) as a Leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Lets overlook John 'ff' Kerry's 'flacky' {Anti-Military Spending
and Intelligence Budget Cuts} Voting Record throughout his career
as a Senator.

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence committee, Senator John 'ff'
Kerry was absent for 76 percent of the Committee's hearings. In the
year after the first Terrorist Attack on the World Trade Center,
John 'ff' Kerry was absent for every single one.
[ John 'ff' Kerry = Missing In Action ]

Just the Facts ~ RHF

..

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

I certainly hope that Kerry doesn't kill himself over
something like this, but I only mention it to point out an
example of how military men and women can regard those
awards - more dearly than most would imagine. And I believe
Kerry has no clue about that.

It's a damned good thing Bush isn't a military man, eh?

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=276

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Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:
Since the unit award/citation is awarded to the unit and
not the individual, I'd be willing to bet good money that
Bush didn't forge any documents or write himself up for
that particular ribbon.

Of course, neither did Lt. Kerry, no matter what the Smear
Vets and those who cling to their fairy tales might pretend.

But it seems clear that Lt. Bush wore this ribbon without any
justification, forged or otherwise.

From the cited article:

The Air Force Historical Research Service Organization
confirmed that the 147th Fighter Intercept Group and the
111th Fighter Intercept Squadron received an Air Force
Outstanding Unit Award for the time period of 1965-1966,
two years before Bush joined the service.

[The Air For]ce also said both units received the
Outstanding Unit Award in 1975. Bush was discharged from
his Texas Guard unit on Oct. 1, 1973.

Between these dates, the Air Force said Wednesday, there
are "no additional awards."


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"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)


Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings. For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)

Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings.

OK 'tardo, why don't you tell us how many 'closed' hearings John Fraud Kerry
attended? What percentage?

dxAce

For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)



Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings. For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart


This might be an effective argument if Sen. Kerry asked to have his
attendance records for closed meetings released.

But public or private, you'd think someone planning to run for President
might be interested in attending and participating in those meetings.

Dwight

Please post radio items, not politics to a radio newsgroup..

Thanks

Mike

It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation for a unit
photo?

Unit citations are authorized for wear by members of the unit while they are
assigned to it. I've been assigned to USAF and USA units and this was true in
both instances.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

What fairly tales might those be? You're acting on your
faith in Kerry from a distance. The Swift Vets are acting
on personal observations and experience.

The contents of "Unfit For Command."

The Swift Vets are acting on personal observations and
experience.

They SAY that they are. I don't buy it.

The testimony of those closest to Kerry at the time of the
events agrees with his story, as does all available
contemporaneous official documentation. All of those who
contradict the official record were at some remove from Kerry,
either in distance or time or both, and nearly every day,
another Swift Vet comes forward to complain that O'Neill is
lying, or admits that his affidavit is pure hearsay, or is
caught lying about other important matters, either related or
unrelated, or that O'Neill is using his name without his
permission.

Moreover, Nixon had access to all Kerry's official records 35
years ago when he hired on O'Neill to pursue him, and was
unable to find any dirt in them -- this at a time when any
such dirt would have been fresh and most readily available.

Nixon was not one to leave dirt unused if it was available for
use.

Occam's Razor says the simplest solution is the most likely;
in this case, the simplest solution is that O'Neil and his co-
conspirators have been holding a nagging grudge against Kerry
for 35 years, and now, toward the end of their lives, are
willing to lie brutally in a final effort to satisfy that
grudge and deny Kerry the Presidency, knowing that they will
be well taken care of by Bush's corporate cronies whether or
not they are successful.

It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation
for a unit photo?

What "unit photo"? The photo in the Bush library is an
individual photo.

Anyway, who knows why? Perhaps he felt as though he didn't
look distinguished enough without it. Who knows what went
through the cocaine-and-alcohol-addled brain of that young
second lieutenant at the time?

Only he can answer the question.

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