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{snippage}

Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and he
got a
nick on
his shin along with a purple heart.



I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much
crippled
on
one
side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts to
smear
anyone
who has ever served honorably.

Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but THAT'S
okay!

Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical right
wing hypocrite.



Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I say that
someone
getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"?

Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of Dole's
"Technical"
P.H.

That you somehow think Kerry's
"bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries makes a
rather
compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again, sunshine!

To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got
crippled.
Tough
****!

After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served"
Chambliss's technique against Max Cleland.

I've served with and know *real* Heros who would make Kerry
look
like
Clinton in comparison.

You're assessment of heroes and heroism means exactly squat.
Just
so
you'll know.


You have yet to demonstrate any ability to even begin to grasp
the
concept
of "Hero"

So does your support of a draft-dodging coke-addict who thinks
"heroism"
is
dressing up in a flight suit.

And please explain how one dodges the draft by serving in the Texas
Air
National
Guard?

By refusing direct orders and deserting your post.

WRONG. That's not dodging the draft.

When did he desert?

Somewhere where they weren't giving flight physicals.

Give us a break, rightie. The facts are out there. Bush was REQUIRED
to take a physical and he didn't report.


He put in his time

Apparently not. We're still waiting for some documentation that he
actually did put in his time.

Still waiting.

"Crickets.wav"

You lose, rightie.



Nope, you're off the mark *yet again*. The fact is he accrued more "duty
points" than were required for six full years of ANG service.

Guess again.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm

The service question
A review of President Bush's Guard years raises issues about the time he
served
By Kit R. Roane

Last February, White House spokesman Scott McClellan held aloft sections of
President Bush's military record, declaring to the waiting press that the
files "clearly document the president fulfilling his duties in the National
Guard." Case closed, he said.

But last week the controversy reared up once again, as several news outlets,
including U.S. News, disclosed new information casting doubt on White House
claims.

A review of the regulations governing Bush's Guard service during the
Vietnam War shows that the White House used an inappropriate--and less
stringent--Air Force standard in determining that he had fulfilled his duty.
Because Bush signed a six-year "military service obligation," he was
required to attend at least 44 inactive-duty training drills each fiscal
year beginning July 1. But Bush's own records show that he fell short of
that requirement, attending only 36 drills in the 1972-73 period, and only
12 in the 1973-74 period. The White House has said that Bush's service
should be calculated using 12-month periods beginning on his induction date
in May 1968. Using this time frame, however, Bush still fails the Air Force
obligation standard.

Moreover, White House officials say, Bush should be judged on whether he
attended enough drills to count toward retirement. They say he accumulated
sufficient points under this grading system. Yet, even using their method,
which some military experts say is incorrect, U.S. News 's analysis shows
that Bush once again fell short. His military records reveal that he failed
to attend enough active-duty training and weekend drills to gain the 50
points necessary to count his final year toward retirement.

The U.S. News analysis also showed that during the final two years of his
obligation, Bush did not comply with Air Force regulations that impose a
time limit on making up missed drills. What's more, he apparently never made
up five months of drills he missed in 1972, contrary to assertions by the
administration. White House officials did not respond to the analysis last
week but emphasized that Bush had "served honorably."

Some experts say they remain mystified as to how Bush obtained an honorable
discharge. Lawrence Korb, a former top Defense Department official in the
Reagan administration, says the military records clearly show that Bush "had
not fulfilled his obligation" and "should have been called to active duty."

Bush signed his commitment to the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968,
shortly after becoming eligible for the draft. In his "statement of
understanding," he acknowledged that "satisfactory participation" included
attending "48 scheduled inactive-duty training periods" each year. He also
acknowledged that he could be ordered to active duty if he failed to meet
these requirements.

Slump. Bush's records show that he did his duty for much of the first four
years of his commitment. But as the Vietnam War wound down, his performance
slumped, and his attendance at required drills fell off markedly. He did no
drills for one five-month period in 1972. He also missed his flight
physical. By May 2, 1973, his superiors said they could not evaluate his
performance because he "has not been observed."

Albert C. Lloyd Jr., a retired Air Force colonel who originally certified
the White House position that Bush had completed his military obligation,
stood by his analysis. After a reporter cited pertinent Air Force
regulations from the period, he complained that if the entire unit were
judged by such standards, "90 percent of the people in the Guard would not
have made satisfactory participation."

Some other experts disagree. "There is no 'sometimes we have compliance and
sometimes we don't,' " says Scott Silliman, a retired Air Force colonel and
Duke University law professor. "That is a nonsensical statement and an
insult to the Guard to suggest it."

The regulations must be followed, adds James Currie, a retired colonel and
author of an official history of the Army Reserve. "Clearly, if you were the
average poor boy who got drafted and sent into the active force," he says,
"they weren't going to let you out before you had completed your
obligation."


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No, I'm not kidding.

I really think it seems likely that the IBM/Lotus word processors would have
the same fonts the selectric had. Why would you think I'm kidding?

Sorry Frank I simply misread your comment.

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There is NO reliable evidence the documents are

fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE

EARLY

SEVENTIES DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that

typewriters

of the time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic.

Don't

waste your time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had

the

type-font. What has not been established is if *any*

typewriters

of the time could be used to reproduce what someone

(according

to

NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect

document

using

MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how

they

line

up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite

possibilities

that

a

chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has

the

same

typographical characteristics of a current software

based

word-processing program to include type spacing,

kerning,

justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even
reasonable probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word

with

great

difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate.

NPR or

no

NPR.


Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a

defect

introduced by multiple-passes through a copier in an

attempt

to

artificially "age" a document. If you've seen the pdf (I

downloaded

it from the Washington Post).

No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone.

Try again.


In the single position and no other "e" being affected, I

would

think

it is an artifact from something other than the device that

originally

produced the document.

Now you're reaching.


No need to try again.

Wrong.


The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the

first

criticism out make it clear that the docs are legitimate.


Opinions vary...

Rove doesn't. He's a sleazeball trickster and this is just

his

style.


Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't

already

known about Bush's desertion.



And there we have it. Who needs the docs, right? Enough

said - I

think

I see where you're coming from.

Yeah. I'm coming from the truth. The existing documents

without

Killian's documents already prove Bush wasn't where he was

supposed to

be. Then there are the missing documents and the picture put

together

by the AP. Bush was a technical deserter, Killian docs or no

Killian

docs. That was never really a question. The Killian docs are
interesting, but they don't change much of anything.




And Kerry received one or more of his decorations "technically".

So

what?

Apparently, you come from "the truth" as only you can see it

through

the

filter of your bias. Wherever Bush was, the ANG apparently did

not

have

any problem with it, as can be determined by the honorable

discharge

Bush

received. Or is that particular document "forged" and/or not up

to

your

standards of truth?


I think it is a mistake to spend much time on Kerry's 4 months in
Vietnam since it's his word against others.

More like 3 plus years.

Excuse me, 4 months and 2 days.

Wrong.


I can understand your problem. Your boy, Bush deserted during his service
in the guard, so you've got to find a way to attack the actual service of
Kerry, who did two tours in Vietnam.

You mean the Kerry who gunned his swift boat and ran when another swift
boat hit a mine, while the other swift boats stayed to lend assistance
to the stricken boat? You mean the Kerry who admits to shooting a
helpless woman and baby, and shooting a wounded teenage soldier in the
back? You mean that Kerry?

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On Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:51:49p, "Gandalf Grey"
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{snippage}

Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and he
got a
nick on
his shin along with a purple heart.



I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much
crippled
on
one
side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts to
smear
anyone
who has ever served honorably.

Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but THAT'S
okay!

Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical right
wing hypocrite.



Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I say
that
someone
getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"?

Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of Dole's
"Technical"
P.H.

That you somehow think Kerry's
"bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries makes
a
rather
compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again, sunshine!

To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got
crippled.
Tough
****!

After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served"
Chambliss's technique against Max Cleland.

I've served with and know *real* Heros who would make
Kerry
look
like
Clinton in comparison.

You're assessment of heroes and heroism means exactly
squat.
Just
so
you'll know.


You have yet to demonstrate any ability to even begin to
grasp the
concept
of "Hero"

So does your support of a draft-dodging coke-addict who thinks
"heroism"
is
dressing up in a flight suit.

And please explain how one dodges the draft by serving in the
Texas
Air
National
Guard?

By refusing direct orders and deserting your post.

WRONG. That's not dodging the draft.

When did he desert?

Somewhere where they weren't giving flight physicals.

Give us a break, rightie. The facts are out there. Bush was
REQUIRED to take a physical and he didn't report.


He put in his time

Apparently not. We're still waiting for some documentation that he
actually did put in his time.

Still waiting.

"Crickets.wav"

You lose, rightie.



Nope, you're off the mark *yet again*. The fact is he accrued more
"duty points" than were required for six full years of ANG service.

Guess again.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm



Even given those opinions, the ANG saw fit to issue him an Honorable
Discharge for fullfilling his obligations.

Squeaking by and getting an "honorable discharge" while failing to actually
perform the services required has a long history among the sons of
politicians.

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Bush's National Guard years
Before you fall for Dems' spin, here are the facts

More Questions than facts.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm


The only "facts" that matter are the ANG's and the USN's in this race.

That's what you say.

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{snippage}

Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and he got a
nick
on
his shin along with a purple heart.



I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much crippled
on
one
side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts to smear
anyone
who has ever served honorably.

Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but THAT'S okay!

Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical right wing
hypocrite.



Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I say that
someone getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"?

Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of Dole's
"Technical"
P.H.

That you somehow think Kerry's
"bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries makes a
rather compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again, sunshine!

To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got crippled.
Tough
****!

After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served" Chambliss's
technique against Max Cleland.


Where did I say that getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay", eh
chuckles?

So you're on record that Dole didn't deserve his purple heart?




Are you referring to Dole's crippling injuries, or some minor, self-
inflicted scratch that barely warranted applying a band-aid?

Go back and read the thread, moron.

Dole threw a grenade, which hit a tree and the shrapnel nicked his shin.



Again, you exaggerate and re-word my post into something it is not.

So far, your "post" isn't anything except a collection of weasel words.


"Weasel words"? Amazing that "weasel words" are sufficient to gut your
argument and leave you with nothing

When are you going to start?

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There is NO reliable evidence the documents are

fake.


Dude, what part of "computer age"
do you NOT understand?



I USED TYPEWRITERS THAT COULD DO IT BACK IN THE

EARLY

SEVENTIES DICKHEAD!

1. It's been established in the last 24 hours that

typewriters

of the time could do what we've seen.
2. Isle of the Dead is a known newsgroup psychotic.

Don't

waste your time.



It's only been established that some typewriters had

the

type-font. What has not been established is if *any*

typewriters

of the time could be used to reproduce what someone

(according

to

NPR) has done: - Type the content of the suspect

document

using

MS Word. - Print the MS-Word doc on a laser printer.
- Scan the MS-Word doc
- Scan a copy of the suspect document
- Superimpose the two over each other and marvel at how

they

line

up.

Maybe it's not outside the realm of infinite

possibilities

that

a

chiefly mechanical device in the early seventies has

the

same

typographical characteristics of a current software

based

word-processing program to include type spacing,

kerning,

justification, character registration, etc, etc, etc...

I wouldn't be so quick to declare it a definite or even
reasonable probability just yet...

Well, the raised "e" can only be accomplished in Word

with

great

difficulty.

It's beginning to look like the docs are legitimate.

NPR or

no

NPR.


Apparently the raised "e" can also be attributed to a

defect

introduced by multiple-passes through a copier in an

attempt

to

artificially "age" a document. If you've seen the pdf (I

downloaded

it from the Washington Post).

No. That wouldn't effect the "e"s alone.

Try again.


In the single position and no other "e" being affected, I

would

think

it is an artifact from something other than the device that

originally

produced the document.

Now you're reaching.


No need to try again.

Wrong.


The new discoveries along with the Rovian character of the

first

criticism out make it clear that the docs are legitimate.


Opinions vary...

Rove doesn't. He's a sleazeball trickster and this is just

his

style.


Besides that, the docs don't reveal anything that wasn't

already

known about Bush's desertion.



And there we have it. Who needs the docs, right? Enough

said - I

think

I see where you're coming from.

Yeah. I'm coming from the truth. The existing documents

without

Killian's documents already prove Bush wasn't where he was

supposed to

be. Then there are the missing documents and the picture put

together

by the AP. Bush was a technical deserter, Killian docs or no

Killian

docs. That was never really a question. The Killian docs are
interesting, but they don't change much of anything.




And Kerry received one or more of his decorations "technically".

So

what?

Apparently, you come from "the truth" as only you can see it

through

the

filter of your bias. Wherever Bush was, the ANG apparently did

not

have

any problem with it, as can be determined by the honorable

discharge

Bush

received. Or is that particular document "forged" and/or not up

to

your

standards of truth?


I think it is a mistake to spend much time on Kerry's 4 months in
Vietnam since it's his word against others.

More like 3 plus years.

Excuse me, 4 months and 2 days.

Wrong.


I can understand your problem. Your boy, Bush deserted during his
service
in the guard, so you've got to find a way to attack the actual service
of
Kerry, who did two tours in Vietnam.

You mean the Kerry who gunned his swift boat and ran when another swift
boat hit a mine, while the other swift boats stayed to lend assistance
to the stricken boat?

Funny, that's not the official Navy Record. On the other hand, we don't
HAVE an official record for where Bush was when he was supposed to be on
duty.

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On Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:51:49p, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote in message
m:


{snippage}

Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and
he got a
nick on
his shin along with a purple heart.



I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much
crippled
on
one
side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts
to smear
anyone
who has ever served honorably.

Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but
THAT'S okay!

Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical
right wing hypocrite.



Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I
say that
someone
getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"?

Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of
Dole's
"Technical"
P.H.

That you somehow think Kerry's
"bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries
makes a
rather
compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again,
sunshine!

To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got
crippled.
Tough
****!

After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served"
Chambliss's technique against Max Cleland.

I've served with and know *real* Heros who would make
Kerry
look
like
Clinton in comparison.

You're assessment of heroes and heroism means exactly
squat.
Just
so
you'll know.


You have yet to demonstrate any ability to even begin to
grasp the
concept
of "Hero"

So does your support of a draft-dodging coke-addict who
thinks
"heroism"
is
dressing up in a flight suit.

And please explain how one dodges the draft by serving in the
Texas
Air
National
Guard?

By refusing direct orders and deserting your post.

WRONG. That's not dodging the draft.

When did he desert?

Somewhere where they weren't giving flight physicals.

Give us a break, rightie. The facts are out there. Bush was
REQUIRED to take a physical and he didn't report.


He put in his time

Apparently not. We're still waiting for some documentation that
he actually did put in his time.

Still waiting.

"Crickets.wav"

You lose, rightie.



Nope, you're off the mark *yet again*. The fact is he accrued more
"duty points" than were required for six full years of ANG service.

Guess again.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm



Even given those opinions, the ANG saw fit to issue him an Honorable
Discharge for fullfilling his obligations.

Squeaking by and getting an "honorable discharge" while failing to
actually perform the services required has a long history among the sons
of politicians.



And Military Jet Airplane pilots have a long history of being higher than
average in intelligence, fitness and leadership qualities than the average
liberal career college student.

Well, George sure proved there's an exception to that rule.

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Bush's National Guard years
Before you fall for Dems' spin, here are the facts

More Questions than facts.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ws/20guard.htm


The only "facts" that matter are the ANG's and the USN's in this race.

That's what you say.


Wrong again

Dream on, moron.

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On Mon 13 Sep 2004 08:51:49p, "Gandalf Grey"
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{snippage}

Bob Dole Tossed a grenade, it bounced off a tree and he got
a
nick
on
his shin along with a purple heart.



I hadn't heard. I guess the fact that he's pretty much
crippled
on
one
side does not matter to you, as much as your attempts to smear
anyone
who has ever served honorably.

Oh I see. Dole ****s up and gets a purple heart but THAT'S
okay!

Just so long as I know I'm dealing with the typical right wing
hypocrite.



Gee - Nice knee-jerk assumption there, chuckles! Did I say that
someone getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay"?

Apparently yes, since you don't seem to be critical of Dole's
"Technical"
P.H.

That you somehow think Kerry's
"bandaids" somehow equate to Dole's crippling injuries makes a
rather compelling case for your own hypocracy. Try again,
sunshine!

To use your own party's attitude, Dole ****ed up and got crippled.
Tough
****!

After all, that seems to have been Saxby "never served"
Chambliss's
technique against Max Cleland.


Where did I say that getting a P.H. for a "nick" is "okay", eh
chuckles?

So you're on record that Dole didn't deserve his purple heart?




Are you referring to Dole's crippling injuries, or some minor, self-
inflicted scratch that barely warranted applying a band-aid?

Go back and read the thread, moron.

Dole threw a grenade, which hit a tree and the shrapnel nicked his shin.



I must be a moron for trusting you to accurately reveal the whole story. I
just looked it up and read what you failed to mention. Lo and behold, Dole
*himself* says that's basically what he did in his own autobiography! To
confirm my previous opinion, I agree with Dole in that it was silly that
he received that P.H. for his clumsy grenade toss. As for the other wound
that crippled his shoulder and arm, that makes all three of Kerry's
scratches absolutely pale in comparison.

Too bad Dole's not running. Because in the race between Kerry and Bush, the
only scars Bush has are the scarring in his nasal passages from the passage
of so much cocaine into what was left of his brain.






Again, you exaggerate and re-word my post into something it is not.

So far, your "post" isn't anything except a collection of weasel
words.


"Weasel words"? Amazing that "weasel words" are sufficient to gut your
argument and leave you with nothing

When are you going to start?



I'm way ahead of you.

and when are you going to demonstrate that?