In my opinion, Brenda fell for media propaganda lies.

If the U.S. government seized Indymedia servers before Indymedia knew
about it, (as stated in this article from Indymedia) so that Indymedia
wasn't able to update their sites with anything, then Indymedia would
not have been able to update or print up this article that is from
Indymedia.

And the U.S. government would definitely not have printed it up if they
didn't want anyone to know about it. Especially since it's unfavorable
to them.


Brenda wrote:

I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that
mirror the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

In my opinion, Brenda fell for media propaganda lies.

If the U.S. government seized Indymedia servers before Indymedia knew
about it, (as stated in this article from Indymedia) so that Indymedia
wasn't able to update their sites with anything, then Indymedia would
not have been able to update or print up this article that is from
Indymedia.

And the U.S. government would definitely not have printed it up if they
didn't want anyone to know about it. Especially since it's unfavorable
to them.


Brenda wrote:

I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that
mirror the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

Since it is impossible for Indymedia to have updated their site with
this article if the so-called facts in the article are true,

it is very obvious that the site is still being run by Indymedia and
very obvious it is all Indymedia's propaganda lies against the U.S
------------------------------------------------------

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

Since it is impossible for Indymedia to have updated their site with
this article if the so-called facts in the article are true,

it is very obvious that the site is still being run by Indymedia and
very obvious it is all Indymedia's propaganda lies against the U.S
------------------------------------------------------

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

wrote in message
...
wrote: And Hams all over the place will be reporting what they see too.
------------------------------------------------

Not if they lose their liscence to transmit for failing to obey whatever
rules the government tells them to.


Don't worry. They're clever enough to get away with it. Have a little faith
man. .

B.H.

wrote in message
...
Since it is impossible for Indymedia to have updated their site with
this article if the so-called facts in the article are true,

it is very obvious that the site is still being run by Indymedia and
very obvious it is all Indymedia's propaganda lies against the U.S

Noplace in that article does it say that ALL of Indymedia's servers were
taken down.

wrote: Noplace in that article does it say that ALL of Indymedia's
servers were taken down.
----------------------------------------------------

The article implies that Indymedia was not able to update any of their
servers because the U.S. government seized them.

If the U.S. government seized only some of Indymedia's servers, then
Indymedia could stilll update those servers of theirs that weren't
seized, and the article's implied statement that Indymedia was not able
to update any of their servers is obviously a lie. And therefore,
Indymedia has lost all credibility as a source of factual information.

There are also some other similar things with the article, which after
examining it, Indymedia has lost all credibility.

wrote: Noplace in that article does it say that ALL of Indymedia's
servers were taken down.
----------------------------------------------------

The article implies that Indymedia was not able to update any of their
servers because the U.S. government seized them.

If the U.S. government seized only some of Indymedia's servers, then
Indymedia could stilll update those servers of theirs that weren't
seized, and the article's implied statement that Indymedia was not able
to update any of their servers is obviously a lie. And therefore,
Indymedia has lost all credibility as a source of factual information.

There are also some other similar things with the article, which after
examining it, Indymedia has lost all credibility.