In article ,
"Aztech" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

(See more in a long article at
http://ukradio.com/news/articles/E69...A75DE7F8A5.asp )

Bull****... it's just QRM

For you, maybe.

Snip

For me too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote:

| SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for
the
| benefit of amateur DXers.
|
| I'm a program listener and I don't want it.
|
| DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly,
and
| tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds
like
| noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the
tuning
| process to be as difficult as possible.
|
| This is DRM propaganda.
|
| Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
| transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
| international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.
|
| Baloney.

Precisely. The simple fact is, the slick salesmen haven't found a way to
get around
the laws of physics, quite yet. They have, however, found a great new
"income
channel," an income channel which allows the "account executives" to
"maximize
ROI," or some such. But, in one word (baloney), you managed to capture the
bottom line.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

"If a man wants his dreams to come true then he must wake up."
- Anonymous


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"Richard" wrote in message ...
Yeah its going to be really interesting to watch developments over the next
few years. Either it will revolutiionize SW or else it will flop like HDTV
did.

I wonder what the implications for SW DXing are - will it be a hobby that
fades into hisotyr like listning to a crystal raifo 100 years ago?

If it takes off, wouldn't it open up new DXing possibilities? At least
for those who are interested in new challenges.

With careful signal averaging or processing, it may (for example) be
possible to pull a station ID out of the DRM stream in reception
conditions where even the existence of a station would be doubtful
now.

However, the worries about DRM availability in oppressive regimes etc
are quite justified. Yet, if it means a traveller can receive BBC
World Service etc without hassle across the globe, it's worth having.
At least for travellers who don't take laptops with them, and/or go to
places without internet connections.

Cheers,
David.

David Robinson wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message ...
Yeah its going to be really interesting to watch developments over the next
few years. Either it will revolutiionize SW or else it will flop like HDTV
did.

I wonder what the implications for SW DXing are - will it be a hobby that
fades into hisotyr like listning to a crystal raifo 100 years ago?

If it takes off, wouldn't it open up new DXing possibilities? At least
for those who are interested in new challenges.

With careful signal averaging or processing, it may (for example) be
possible to pull a station ID out of the DRM stream in reception
conditions where even the existence of a station would be doubtful
now.

The power required for efficient DRM transmission kind of precludes it from being 'DX'... And if
you think that governments who can barely keep an ordinary station on shortwave are suddenly
going to embrace DRM and toss a lot of money into it you are sadly mistaken.

Also, it would seem that shortwave is used a lot these days to broadcast information to third
world countries and the folks in those areas probably don't have a lot of funds to put into the
purchase of new receiving sets.

It really seems to me that DRM is being embraced by a certain 'clique' in Europe, and for the
life of me I can't really understand why.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

From: "dxAce"

Richard wrote:

Well I doubt its bull****, these are the "big guns" talking not some two
bit
ham

two bit?


Binary..

In message
Walt Davidson wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:54:38 +0100, "Colin"
wrote:

SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

I would venture to suggest that more than 90% of listeners to
shortwave broadcasting are "amateur DXers". Normal people do not even
know what shortwave is, far less listen to it.

That's probably true now of Western Europe and the US, but not
everyone lives in Western Europe or the US.

--
Richard L.

"Colin" wrote in message
...


Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

IBOC sure is QRM for AM reception!


SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

So why have so many countries been defunding international broadcasting?
Could it be they think international broadcasting is a waste of money? Why
would clearer signals make it less of a waste? If the programming is worth
hearing, the listener will put up with occasional distortion and fading.



DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

International broadcating is boring, and bored listeners are tuning out.
DRM won't fix that. The internet is a much better source for news. End
time preachers and conspiranoics are much more fun to listen to.



Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.


Satellite radio does every thing DRM promises.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

"Colin" wrote in message
...


Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

IBOC sure is QRM for AM reception!


SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

So why have so many countries been defunding international broadcasting?
Could it be they think international broadcasting is a waste of money? Why
would clearer signals make it less of a waste? If the programming is worth
hearing, the listener will put up with occasional distortion and fading.


DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

International broadcating is boring, and bored listeners are tuning out.
DRM won't fix that. The internet is a much better source for news. End
time preachers and conspiranoics are much more fun to listen to.


Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.


Satellite radio does every thing DRM promises.

Yes it does, and it doesn't make a mess of the shortwave spectrum.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Yeah its going to be really interesting to watch developments over the
next
few years. Either it will revolutiionize SW or else it will flop like HDTV
did.

I wonder what the implications for SW DXing are - will it be a hobby that
fades into hisotyr like listning to a crystal raifo 100 years ago?

Richad, Warsaw


Getting the international broadcasters off the air would be the best thing
possible for the SW hobby.

There isn't much usable bandwith on SW, at least as compared with VHF and
UHF, and SW propagation is inconsistant and not fully predictable. Most of
the SW utility transmissions have moved to satellites. It's not 1950
anymore, and the SW bands don't have nearly the economic importance they had
then.

But, while SW's quirks make it unattactive for 100% reliable communication,
those quirks make SW a playground for the radio hobbyist. Radio amateurs
have been playing with SW for decades, and there has been a boom in pirate
radio in the last ten years or so. As soon as governments lose interest in
SW, the amateurs and pirates will have SW all to themselves.

Of course, governments can't be entirely disinterested in SW. There is a
need for military and emergency communications on SW. And out of band
interference must be controlled. But I'm convinced hobby broadcasting will
flourish long after the last international broadcaster turns off the switch.

Frank Dresser

In article , dxAce wrote:
The power required for efficient DRM transmission kind of precludes it
from being 'DX'... And if
you think that governments who can barely keep an ordinary station on
shortwave are suddenly
going to embrace DRM and toss a lot of money into it you are sadly mistaken.

Also, it would seem that shortwave is used a lot these days to broadcast
information to third
world countries and the folks in those areas probably don't have a lot
of funds to put into the
purchase of new receiving sets.

It really seems to me that DRM is being embraced by a certain 'clique'
in Europe, and for the
life of me I can't really understand why.

I think that using it, like a recent posting about Radio New Zealand,
as a Poor Man's Satelllite for regional program distribution for
rebroadcasting on local stations makes a lot of sense.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident