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In January. Anybody know the facility?
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"David" wrote in message ... In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably 1150 AM when Clear moves the sports to 570. |
"David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. |
"Jack Painter" wrote in message news:4O9sd.3807$Ro.2650@lakeread02... "David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. Actually, it is 50 kw. KXTA-1150. |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 04:36:21 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "Jack Painter" wrote in message news:4O9sd.3807$Ro.2650@lakeread02... "David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. Actually, it is 50 kw. KXTA-1150. The long-rumored swap amongst the Clear Channel AM facilities in Los Angeles seems like it's gonna happen next month, if you believe the usual industry rumor mill. Here's how it's all supposed to pan out: * KLAC/570 - Now standards, with sort of a "lounge"'/"hip" take on them as "Fabulous 570". Will become sports ("XTRA Sports 570"?). Keeps the Los Angeles Lakers, which become a centerpiece for the format moving from 1150. * XETRA/690 Baja California - Now the San Diego-market half of the L.A. based "XTRA Sports" simulcast, having abandoned a local focus in the merge with 1150...well, unless you count veteran 690 afternoon drive host Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton, who moved to the simulcast in his traditional slot. (Ask Lee if the phone lines are color-coded. Long story.) There are rumors out of San Diego that Clear Channel is set to spin off most or all of its Mexican-based signals (Mexican-owned, CC has the U.S.-based marketing and programming rights), perhaps for legal/regulatory reasons. If that happens, 690 could go oldies or standards, under another operator. There's also a chance the current operator of San Diego market sports station XEPRS/1090 ("The Mighty 1090") could take over his old station...John Lynch's company was the U.S. operator of 690 some time ago. That could move the San Diego-based sports format now on 1090 back to 690. * KXTA/1150 - Now the L.A. half of the "XTRA Sports" simulcast. With that format moving to 570, it's expected to pick up Air America, Jones Radio's Ed Schultz and other "progressive talk" programming. Mike |
"Mike" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 04:36:21 GMT, "David Eduardo" Actually, it is 50 kw. KXTA-1150. The long-rumored swap amongst the Clear Channel AM facilities in Los Angeles seems like it's gonna happen next month, if you believe the usual industry rumor mill. Here's how it's all supposed to pan out: * KLAC/570 - Now standards, with sort of a "lounge"'/"hip" take on them as "Fabulous 570". Will become sports ("XTRA Sports 570"?). Keeps the Los Angeles Lakers, which become a centerpiece for the format moving from 1150. And the source of 75% of KLAC's billings historically. * XETRA/690 Baja California - Now the San Diego-market half of the L.A. based "XTRA Sports" simulcast, having abandoned a local focus in the merge with 1150...well, unless you count veteran 690 afternoon drive host Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton, who moved to the simulcast in his traditional slot. (Ask Lee if the phone lines are color-coded. Long story.) XETRA's US rights (similar to an LMA) are being sold by Clear Channel... as you speculate below. This is absolute and confirmed. There are rumors out of San Diego that Clear Channel is set to spin off most or all of its Mexican-based signals (Mexican-owned, CC has the U.S.-based marketing and programming rights), perhaps for legal/regulatory reasons. If that happens, 690 could go oldies or standards, under another operator. There's also a chance the current operator of San Diego market sports station XEPRS/1090 ("The Mighty 1090") could take over his old station...John Lynch's company was the U.S. operator of 690 some time ago. That could move the San Diego-based sports format now on 1090 back to 690. While CCU will transfer the US rights to the X stations, they will keep the intellectual property of the programming. So Z-90 or any of the other formats might replace the existing format on one o fthe US licensed Clear Channel SD stations. It is unlikely that John Lynch will get 690. * KXTA/1150 - Now the L.A. half of the "XTRA Sports" simulcast. With that format moving to 570, it's expected to pick up Air America, Jones Radio's Ed Schultz and other "progressive talk" programming. Exactly. |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:50:08 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: XETRA's US rights (similar to an LMA) are being sold by Clear Channel... as you speculate below. This is absolute and confirmed. I'm curious...I've heard this is actually being forced for regulatory reasons...the reason being that the Mexican signals give CC *way* over the number of allowed signals in the San Diego market, and that someone's "finally" realizing that as far as the feds are concerned. (DOJ, perhaps?) Is this true? I know that to be able to program the signals, a U.S. operator has to file papers somewhere with the FCC. And I know the major U.S. operators with signals they program across the border generally treat the operations as if they were FCC licensed U.S. signals. (And one other silly question - are the Mexican signals still required to air "The Mexican National Hour" on Sunday nights? I thought I heard this went away recently, perhaps coinciding with the new presidential administration south of the border.) While CCU will transfer the US rights to the X stations, they will keep the intellectual property of the programming. So Z-90 or any of the other formats might replace the existing format on one o fthe US licensed Clear Channel SD stations. It is unlikely that John Lynch will get 690. He keeps making noises about it, but it sounds like he isn't going to get it. And though CC is not replicating "XTRA Sports" on an existing San Diego based frequency, instead consolidating it on 570/L.A., they COULD...if they wanted to. Mike |
"Mike" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 05:50:08 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: XETRA's US rights (similar to an LMA) are being sold by Clear Channel... as you speculate below. This is absolute and confirmed. I'm curious...I've heard this is actually being forced for regulatory reasons...the reason being that the Mexican signals give CC *way* over the number of allowed signals in the San Diego market, and that someone's "finally" realizing that as far as the feds are concerned. (DOJ, perhaps?) Is this true? The simple version is, "yes." The new FCC rules (on appeal) would definitely prohibit, and there are additional issues involved. So, Clear channel is simply divesting its interests (which are not ownership, just rights). I know that to be able to program the signals, a U.S. operator has to file papers somewhere with the FCC. And I know the major U.S. operators with signals they program across the border generally treat the operations as if they were FCC licensed U.S. signals. No, there is no FCC approval needed to operate a station in Mexico. There is a requirement to get a permit to oriiginate programming in the US that will be rebroadcast back to the US on a foreign transmitter. It is a mere formality. Mexicans stations are treated as what they are, Mexican stations that music comply with Mexican boradcast law and all other aspects of the Mexican legal system. (And one other silly question - are the Mexican signals still required to air "The Mexican National Hour" on Sunday nights? I thought I heard this went away recently, perhaps coinciding with the new presidential administration south of the border.) Yes. They are. And up to 4 minutes per hour of government PSAs, too. While CCU will transfer the US rights to the X stations, they will keep the intellectual property of the programming. So Z-90 or any of the other formats might replace the existing format on one o fthe US licensed Clear Channel SD stations. It is unlikely that John Lynch will get 690. He keeps making noises about it, but it sounds like he isn't going to get it. I doubt it. anyting possible. And though CC is not replicating "XTRA Sports" on an existing San Diego based frequency, instead consolidating it on 570/L.A., they COULD...if they wanted to. I think they believe that a battle against 50 kw XEPRS is not a good idea. |
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:14:21 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: No, there is no FCC approval needed to operate a station in Mexico. There is a requirement to get a permit to oriiginate programming in the US that will be rebroadcast back to the US on a foreign transmitter. It is a mere formality. Mexicans stations are treated as what they are, Mexican stations that music comply with Mexican boradcast law and all other aspects of the Mexican legal system. That's what I was talking about...the need to get that permit to originate U.S.-based programming on a foreign signal, from the viewpoint of the U.S. programming operator. And of course, the U.S. operators of the station now known as Fox 6 in the San Diego market had to go through some hassle back in the days when it was an ABC affiliate. I imagine the process of filing whatever permit it is, is much easier and much more trivial today. (And one other silly question - are the Mexican signals still required to air "The Mexican National Hour" on Sunday nights? I thought I heard this went away recently, perhaps coinciding with the new presidential administration south of the border.) Yes. They are. And up to 4 minutes per hour of government PSAs, too. Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course. The Mexican National Hour, such as it is, is in Spanish, of course, meaning a one-hour language change for stations that normally do English 24/7 from across the border. (Give or take the Spanish-language legal IDs. ;) Mike |
"Jack Painter" wrote in news:4O9sd.3807$Ro.2650
@lakeread02: "David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. Why all the sarcasm about a liberal alternative to conservative hate radio. It's like 1% of the right wing monopoly of AM talk, yet they don't even want that to be heard. It's a very upsetting attitude, like they want one-party politics as long as it's Republican, and no balancing viewpoint ANYWHERE. This isn't a dictatorship. |
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Jack Urbaniak wrote: "Jack Painter" wrote in news:4O9sd.3807$Ro.2650 @lakeread02: "David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. Why all the sarcasm about a liberal alternative to conservative hate radio. It's like 1% of the right wing monopoly of AM talk, yet they don't even want that to be heard. It's a very upsetting attitude, like they want one-party politics as long as it's Republican, and no balancing viewpoint ANYWHERE. This isn't a dictatorship. You have a slight descriptive problem in your post. It's alternative conservative talk radio and monopoly liberal hate radio when you consider the entirety of the media. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Telamon wrote:
You have a slight descriptive problem in your post. It's alternative conservative talk radio and monopoly liberal hate radio when you consider the entirety of the media. Not so. ========================================= The radio landscape makes clear that concentration will hurt the media. After the FCC and Congress relaxed radio ownership rules, corporate giant Clear Channel Communications swept in and bought hundreds of stations. Clear Channel has used its might to support pro-war political rallies and conservative talk shows, keep anti-war songs off its stations, coerce musicians into playing free promotional concerts, and bully them into performing at its music venues. In many towns that used to have a diverse array of radio options, Clear Channel is now the only thing on the dial. http://www.lpbn.org/300.htm =========================================== Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. Economies of scale dictated that most of the local staff be cut: Minot stations ran more or less on auto pilot, the programming largely dictated from further up the Clear Channel food chain. No one answered the phone because hardly anyone worked at the stations any more; the songs played in Minot were the same as those played on Clear Channel stations across the Midwest. http://www.quicktopic.com/21/H/Syu5aSps8V7dF ============================================= |
"m II" wrote in message news:HKRsd.324434$9b.43756@edtnps84... The radio landscape makes clear that concentration will hurt the media. After the FCC and Congress relaxed radio ownership rules, corporate giant Clear Channel Communications swept in and bought hundreds of stations. Clear Channel has used its might to support pro-war political rallies and conservative talk shows, Wrong. Only one talk host, syndicated by a Clear Channel subsidiary, did any rallies. None were supported by the corporation keep anti-war songs off its stations, Incorrect. The issue here was the Dixie Chicks, and nearly every country station in the US took them off after their comments on Bush. Clear was the last big broadcaster to remove the songs, in a reaction to listener distaste for the Chicīs' actions. coerce musicians into playing free promotional concerts, Radio stations worldwide get free artist appearences as mutual promotion. This is not exclusive to any company. and bully them into performing at its music venues. Wrong. In many towns that used to have a diverse array of radio options, Clear Channel is now the only thing on the dial. Wrong. The FCC will only allow one company to own a portion of a market's stations. http://www.lpbn.org/300.htm =========================================== Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night station crew? Like most stations, there is no overnight staff. The real issue here was why were the Clear Channel stations unable to broadcast an alert about a chemical spill at 2 AM. First, EAS alerts are not initiated by the station. There is no procedure to call a station studio... the local authorities use an automatic procedure to activate warnings, and the local authorities did not know how to do this as they were not proiperly trained by the state authorities. This has nothinbg todo with the radio stations, which were ready and equipped to run the message the idiots in local government never sent. Second, an alert at 2 AM would be heard by about 11 People in Minot. Radio NEVER reaches more tham 1 out of every 4 people (7 AM hour) and at 2 AM, it is about one in every 2,500 persons. As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. Economies of scale dictated that most of the local staff be cut: Minot stations ran more or less on auto pilot, the programming largely dictated from further up the Clear Channel food chain. No, it was automated, from local studios, a common practice after midnight since the 60's. No one answered the phone because hardly anyone worked at the stations any more; the songs played in Minot were the same as those played on Clear Channel stations across the Midwest. Wrong. Each station makes local playlists. However, the big hits in Minot are the same hits as in Mobile or Seattle or Boston. http://www.quicktopic.com/21/H/Syu5aSps8V7dF ============================================= |
David Eduardo wrote:
(much snipping) Wrong. The FCC will only allow one company to own a portion of a market's stations. There seems to be some dispute over that. The government has made it VERY easy for one company to have a monopoly situation. http://www.altavista.com/web/results...&kgs=1&kls =0 http://snipurl.com/b53n mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:U6Tsd.32128$cE3.4397@clgrps12... David Eduardo wrote: (much snipping) Wrong. The FCC will only allow one company to own a portion of a market's stations. There seems to be some dispute over that. Only in your mind. In actual facts, there is no monopoly. There are 13,500 radio stations in the US. How many does Clear Channel own? The government has made it VERY easy for one company to have a monopoly situation. Your links are impossible to follow. However, all the markets mentioned in the one I could track have plenty of competition and Clear has less than half of the listeners or revenues (often much less....), so does not have a monopoly of anything. |
You never saw the post 9-11 list of banned songs?
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:17:20 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: Incorrect. The issue here was the Dixie Chicks, and nearly every country station in the US took them off after their comments on Bush. Clear was the last big broadcaster to remove the songs, in a reaction to listener distaste for the Chicīs' actions. |
Ahh. The vast liberal media conspiracy, eh?
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:24:34 GMT, Telamon wrote: In article , Jack Urbaniak wrote: "Jack Painter" wrote in news:4O9sd.3807$Ro.2650 @lakeread02: "David" wrote In January. Anybody know the facility? Probably a low power fm-station in the state correctional facility. Why all the sarcasm about a liberal alternative to conservative hate radio. It's like 1% of the right wing monopoly of AM talk, yet they don't even want that to be heard. It's a very upsetting attitude, like they want one-party politics as long as it's Republican, and no balancing viewpoint ANYWHERE. This isn't a dictatorship. You have a slight descriptive problem in your post. It's alternative conservative talk radio and monopoly liberal hate radio when you consider the entirety of the media. |
"David" wrote in message ... You never saw the post 9-11 list of banned songs? There were NO banned songs. After 9/11 one of the PDs made a list of songs that might be inappropriate, particularly if coming out of a 9/11 news report... so other programmers could consider them when scheduling music. Other PDs added songs, and it circulated. It was never a "banned list" but rather, a list of songs to be careful about. It prevents the equivalent of running a news story about a plane disaster and them playing "Leaving on a Jet Plane" out of the news. It's called "responsibility." All the stuff you posted is urban legened... not one item is true. On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:17:20 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: Incorrect. The issue here was the Dixie Chicks, and nearly every country station in the US took them off after their comments on Bush. Clear was the last big broadcaster to remove the songs, in a reaction to listener distaste for the Chicīs' actions. |
DAVID,
You are the "Voice" of Knowledge, Understanding and the Facts (Some Call It "Da Truth") to 'those' lacking same. keep up the good work ~ RHF .. .. |
''Plausible deniablilty." I don't trust Texans. Used to live there.
Claim: Clear Channel Communications banned their American radio stations from playing specified songs in order to avoid offending listeners. Status: False. Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001] Those of you in the Thought Police will find the following encouraging. Others of you might find it troubling: In response to Tuesday's terrorist attacks, Clear Channel, the world's largest radio network, has sent out a list of some 150 "lyrically questionable" songs by everyone from the Animals to the Zombies which it has banned its stations from playing. Some songs are overtly violent in their intent, but the majority simply contain metaphorical language or narrative aspects that connect uncomfortably with the tragedy. Clear Channel's List of Songs with Questionable Lyrics Drowning Pool "Bodies" Mudvayne "Death Blooms" Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive" Megadeth "Sweating Bullets" Saliva "Click Click Boom" P.O.D. "Boom" Metallica "Seek and Destroy" Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow" Metallica "Enter Sandman" Metallica "Fade to Black" All Rage Against The Machine songs Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole" Godsmack "Bad Religion" Tool "Intolerance" Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World" AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames" AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill" AC/DC "Dirty Deeds" AC/DC "Highway to Hell" AC/DC "Safe in New York City" AC/DC "TNT" AC/DC "Hell's Bells" Black Sabbath "War Pigs" Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution" Dio "Holy Diver" Steve Miller "Jet Airliner" Van Halen "Jump" Queen "Another One Bites the Dust" Queen "Killer Queen" Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield" Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party" REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It" Talking Heads "Burning Down the House" Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll" Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell" Pink Floyd "Mother" Savage Garden "Crash and Burn" Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me" Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian" Pretenders "My City Was Gone" Alanis Morissette "Ironic" Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time" Fuel "Bad Day" John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire" Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling" Kansas "Dust in the Wind" Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" The Beatles "A Day in the Life" The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" The Beatles "Ticket To Ride" The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da" Bob Dylan/Guns N Roses "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" Arthur Brown "Fire" Blue Oyster Cult "Burnin' For You" Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die" Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe" Jackson Brown "Doctor My Eyes" John Mellencamp "Crumbling Down" John Mellencamp "I'm On Fire" U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday" Boston "Smokin" Billy Joel "Only the Good Die Young" Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction" Steam "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey" Drifters "On Broadway" Shelly Fabares "Johnny Angel" Los Bravos "Black is Black" Peter and Gordon "I Go To Pieces" Peter and Gordon "A World Without Love" Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise" Zombies "She's Not There" Elton John "Benny & The Jets" Elton John "Daniel" Elton John "Rocket Man" Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire" Santana "Evil Ways" Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World" Youngbloods "Get Together" Ad Libs "The Boy from New York City" Peter Paul and Mary "Blowin' in the Wind" Peter Paul and Mary "Leavin' on a Jet Plane" Rolling Stones "Ruby Tuesday" Simon And Garfunkel "Bridge Over Troubled Water" Happenings "See You in Septemeber" Carole King "I Feel the Earth Move" Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525" Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky" Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen" Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again" Cat Stevens "Peace Train" Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken" Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve" Martha & the Vandellas "Nowhere to Run" Martha and the Vandellas/Van Halen "Dancing in the Streets" Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" San Cooke Herman Hermits, "Wonder World" Petula Clark "A Sign of the Times" Don McLean "American Pie" J. Frank Wilson "Last Kiss" Buddy Holly and the Crickets "That'll Be the Day" John Lennon "Imagine" Bobby Darin "Mack the Knife" The Clash "Rock the Casbah" Surfaris "Wipeout" Blood Sweat and Tears "And When I Die" Dave Clark Five "Bits and Pieces" Tramps "Disco Inferno" Paper Lace "The Night Chicago Died" Frank Sinatra "New York, New York" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Travelin' Band" The Gap Band "You Dropped a Bomb On Me" Alien Ant Farm "Smooth Criminal" 3 Doors Down "Duck and Run" The Doors "The End" Third Eye Blind "Jumper" Neil Diamond "America" Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away" Tom Petty "Free Fallin'" Bruce Springsteen "I'm On Fire" Bruce Springsteen "Goin' Down" Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight" Alice in Chains "Rooster" Alice in Chains "Sea of Sorrow" Alice in Chains "Down in a Hole" Alice in Chains "Them Bone" Beastie Boys "Sure Shot" Beastie Boys "Sabotage" The Cult "Fire Woman" Everclear "Santa Monica" Filter "Hey Man, Nice Shot" Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly" Korn "Falling Away From Me" Red Hot Chili Peppers "Aeroplane" Red Hot Chili Peppers "Under the Bridge" Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" System of a Down "Chop Suey!" Skeeter Davis "End of the World" Rickey Nelson "Travelin' Man" Chi-Lites "Have You Seen Her" Animals "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" Fontella Bass "Rescue Me" Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels "Devil with the Blue Dress" James Taylor "Fire and Rain" Edwin Starr/Bruce Springstein "War" Lynyrd Skynyrd "Tuesday's Gone" Limp Bizkit "Break Stuff" Green Day "Brain Stew" Temple of the Dog "Say Hello to Heaven" Sugar Ray "Fly" Local H "Bound for the Floor" Slipknot "Left Behind, Wait and Bleed" Bush "Speed Kills" 311 "Down" Stone Temple Pilots "Big Bang Baby," Dead and Bloated" Soundgarden "Fell on Black Days," Black Hole Sun" Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons" Origins: It's not unusual in a time of sadness and mourning such as the one following the September 11 terrorist attacks on the U.S. that radio and television stations temporarily suspend the airing of material programs, songs, advertisements that might be considered insensitive or in bad taste. Just as an airline wouldn't show in-flight films featuring airplane crashes, especially after a particularly horrible airliner accident, so entertainment outlets generally opt to temporarily dispense with material dealing with death and disaster in the wake of terrible real-life events. So, many radio stations have recently invoked voluntary moratoriums on songs which refer to airplanes, crashes, violence, and death in their lyrics or titles. Accordingly, a program director at Clear Channel Communications (an organization which operates over 1,170 radio stations in the United States), after discussions with program directors at several of Clear Channel Radio's stations, compiled an advisory list of songs which stations might wish to avoid playing in the short term: After and during what was happening in New York and Washington and outside of Pittsburgh, some of our program directors began e-mailing each other about songs and questionable song titles Given the environment, a Clear Channel program director took it upon himself to identify a number of songs that certain markets or individuals may find insensitive today. This was not a mandate, nor was the list generated out of the corporate radio offices. It was a grassroots effort that was apparently circulated among program directors. Note that The New York Times posits a smaller, earlier version of the list did originate in Clear Channel's corporate offices: Others in the Clear Channel network . . . said that a smaller list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued to grow. Other than some rather questionable choices of songs, the only thing remarkable about this list is that so many sensation-hungry news outlets have attempted to spin it as an outrageous mandate by Clear Channel to "ban" certain songs from the airwaves. Clear Channel did not issue the list to their stations as a directive mandating that the listed songs not be played, as Robert Hilburn noted in the Los Angeles Times: The Clear Channel list is apparently not a flat prohibition against these songs by the nation's largest chain of radio stations. They are simply recordings whose appropriateness has been questioned by individual program directors. Radio personnel were still free to make their own programming decisions, and the list was merely intended as helpful advisory information. For example, a program director scanning a list of song titles might not immediately recall that the lyrics to James Taylor's "Fire and Rain" are widely perceived as referring to a plane crash which supposedly claimed the life of his girlfiend (they don't), but the title's appearance on the list might help call that to mind. Clearly (no pun intended), Clear Channel's stations were still making their own choices about what music to program, as The New York Times reported: The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many stations, including some in the New York area, said they were disregarding the list, which was distributed internally . . . .. . . compliance with the list varied from station to station. Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM) in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs, "Jumper" by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others) happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even though they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth. (Despite Slate's spin on the issue, Clear Channel did not deny that such a list existed. They maintained, correctly, that "Clear Channel Radio has not banned any songs from any of its radio stations.") Although some of the entries on this list might make it appear a humorous parody at first glance, many stations are indeed forgoing even songs such as "What a Wonderful World" under the philosophy that upbeat music is inappropriate at this time: Top 40 Z104 (WWZZ), owned by Bonneville, was pulling certain songs from the air because of their titles, such as Dave Matthews's "Crash Into Me." But General Manager Mark O'Brien said most songs that were yanked from the air were done so because of their "happy-go-lucky, life is great" tone. "Anything up-tempo is still off the air today," he said yesterday. Giving a pass to songs such as "Ticket to Ride" or "I Go to Pieces" or "Ruby Tuesday" simply because of their titles might be a bit extreme, but there's no telling what an audience might find upsetting in the current climate, as the Washington Post reported: Despite the efforts, some songs deemed inappropriate slipped through the cracks. The reaction was swift in at least one case, suggesting that people's sensitivities are on high alert. Over the weekend, WASH played Kool & the Gang's "Celebration," which brought a polite if reproachful call from one listener, who was assured by the station the song's broadcast was a mistake. |
The ''truth'' is a slippery devil these days. Very hard to get a hold
of sometimes. Everything's spinning... On 6 Dec 2004 08:53:08 -0800, wrote: DAVID, You are the "Voice" of Knowledge, Understanding and the Facts (Some Call It "Da Truth") to 'those' lacking same. keep up the good work ~ RHF . . |
"David" wrote in message ... ''Plausible deniablilty." I don't trust Texans. Used to live there. Claim: Clear Channel Communications banned their American radio stations from playing specified songs in order to avoid offending listeners. Status: False. Correct. There was a list put together by ONE of the PDs and sent to other PDs to prevent embarassment in the aftermath of 9/11. This was not censorship, but prudence and a desire not to offend Americans following 9/11. There was never a list issued from Clear Channel corporate offices, and no dictate to not play songs. Just some PDs exchanging some lists of tunes that might be wise to play with caution or not at all in that difficult time. Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001] Those of you in the Thought Police will find the following encouraging. Others of you might find it troubling: In response to Tuesday's terrorist attacks, Clear Channel, the world's largest radio network, has sent out a list of some 150 "lyrically questionable" songs by everyone from the Animals to the Zombies which it has banned its stations from playing. Some songs are overtly violent in their intent, but the majority simply contain metaphorical language or narrative aspects that connect uncomfortably with the tragedy. Again, the list was sent out to the rock PDs by one of the PDs who took the time to think about sensitivities and analyzed every song that might be questinable. There was not ban, no censorship. Just boradcasters doing thier job of measuring what the public wanted to hear and what was, at the time, inappropriate. Accordingly, a program director at Clear Channel Communications (an organization which operates over 1,170 radio stations in the United States), after discussions with program directors at several of Clear Channel Radio's stations, compiled an advisory list of songs which stations might wish to avoid playing in the short term: Exactly. Not a ban, not censorship, just good common sense. |
I thought it was the old Air America airlines company.I want to fly Con
Air someday.(only joking) cuhulin |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:58:04 -0500, Mike wrote:
While CCU will transfer the US rights to the X stations, they will keep the intellectual property of the programming. So Z-90 or any of the other formats might replace the existing format on one o fthe US licensed Clear Channel SD stations. It is unlikely that John Lynch will get 690. He keeps making noises about it, but it sounds like he isn't going to get it. Who gets it will be determined by the late Ed Noble's family. So far as I know they still own it. I believe John Lynch still has pretty good relations with them. I worked for John for 5 years. I wouldn't count him out. Rich |
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:00:18 -0500, Mike wrote:
formality. Mexicans stations are treated as what they are, Mexican stations that music comply with Mexican boradcast law and all other aspects of the Mexican legal system. I programmed XTRA for 5 years. The US contingent was committed to following both the Mexican as well as FCC regulations. I actually had Norman Vincent Peale use an obscenity when I told him we couldn't air his show that had been sold by our US sales reps. No religion allowed. No alcohol. Far more stringent than the US. That's what I was talking about...the need to get that permit to originate U.S.-based programming on a foreign signal, from the viewpoint of the U.S. programming operator. It's known as 325B. Very hard to get back then, especially when you had San Diego stations petitioning the FCC and threatening ad agencies. We sued the stations for $39 million. The result was a public agreement that we had the right to operate in the San Diego market. And of course, the U.S. operators of the station now known as Fox 6 in the San Diego market had to go through some hassle back in the days when it was an ABC affiliate. That hassle was that Channel 39 (now KNSD, formerly KCST) wanted the affiliation. ABC preferred the XETV VHF Channel 6 even in the city with one of the first and largest cable systems in the country. Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course. You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations. Rich Former Program Manager - XTRA |
and bully them into performing at its music venues. The complaint independent promoters have with Clear Channel's concert division is that it can pay performers far more than the smaller companies can. The solution, if performers believe in the little guys, is to take less money. Would that be your choice? The only downside to concertgoers is higher ticket prices. PBS did a scathing documentary on Clear Channel a couple of years ago. No performer was bullied. They were just paid more. They took the money. No sane Clear Channel programmer would boycott a popular song that was selling well and played by the competition (of which there are many) just because they didn't appear at a Clear Channel venue. Rich |
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:37:40 GMT, m II
wrote: There seems to be some dispute over that. The government has made it VERY easy for one company to have a monopoly situation. Where? Monopoly means no competition. Control of a market. Clear Channel owns a small number of the total stations in the US and is legally limited by coverage. They cannot own all stations in a market unless the market has only one. Rich |
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:49:11 GMT, David wrote:
You never saw the post 9-11 list of banned songs? Hmm. I recall it to be a list of songs considered insensitive considering what happened. I don't believe anyone was forbidden to play them. It's really no different than airlines not running movies with plane crashes in them. Rich |
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:29:09 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote: Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course. You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations. Yet, according to David, the Mexican National Hour is once again heard even on English-language U.S. targetting stations like XETRA. I'm surprised that the government of Vicente Fox hasn't eased up on it. Mike |
"Mike" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:29:09 -0500, Rich Wood wrote: Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course. You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations. Yet, according to David, the Mexican National Hour is once again heard even on English-language U.S. targetting stations like XETRA. I'm surprised that the government of Vicente Fox hasn't eased up on it. I am not sure about XETRA. I know XEPRS does run the Hora Nacional, but there may be a dispensation based on relationships for XETRA that still prevails. Ed Noble was owner of what was Mexico's largest ad agency, Noble & asociados, and a very influential man. |
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:43:10 -0500, Mike wrote:
Yet, according to David, the Mexican National Hour is once again heard even on English-language U.S. targetting stations like XETRA. I'm surprised that the government of Vicente Fox hasn't eased up on it. Mexican stations don't often make it this far North, so I can't claim to have heard the Mexican Hour in any language. Ed Noble is dead and Jose Lopez Portlillo is no longer in office. I can only speak for the time I spent in San Diego. I've been in New York City for 20 years. A lot can change. If David says the Mexican Hour is back on XTRA in Spanish, then I believe it. He's much closer to them than I am. Rich |
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:22:43 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote: If David says the Mexican Hour is back on XTRA in Spanish, then I believe it. He's much closer to them than I am. It turns out he was talking about XEPRS, another English-language-sports-station-targetting-San Diego (currently known as "The Mighty 1090", and run by the aforementioned Mr. Lynch as far as its U.S. operations go). My general comment was that I was surprised the current Mexican government hadn't removed the MNH requirement entirely. The current president of Mexico seems to be a more "modern" thinker. Mike |
MIGUEL,
.. 'The current president of Mexico seems to be a more "modern" thinker.' .. Isn't that an Oxymoron ? .. It can be said that President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro-Mexican ! .. It can be said that President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro the Rights and the Privleges of All Mexican Nationals; both Legal and Illegal within the USofA ! .. It can NOT be said President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro-USofA [.] .. so say i - my opinions stated as facts ~ RHF .. .. |
RHF wrote: MIGUEL, . 'The current president of Mexico seems to be a more "modern" thinker.' . Isn't that an Oxymoron ? . It can be said that President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro-Mexican ! . It can be said that President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro the Rights and the Privleges of All Mexican Nationals; both Legal and Illegal within the USofA ! . It can NOT be said President Vicente Fox of Mexico is Pro-USofA [.] . so say i - my opinions stated as facts ~ RHF 'Ol Vicente is a stinking piece of Mexican **** who wants to export his 'problems' to the USA. dxAce Michigan USA |
DX ACE,
President Vicente Fox of Mexico is GOOD for Mexico - Si ! But what is 'good' for Mexico . . . Is NOT necessarily "Good" for the USofA - Nada [.] .. so say i - my opinions stated as facts ~ RHF .. .. |
RHF wrote: DX ACE, President Vicente Fox of Mexico is GOOD for Mexico - Si ! But what is 'good' for Mexico . . . Is NOT necessarily "Good" for the USofA - Nada [.] You are absolutely correct. dxAce Michigan USA |
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:50:16 -0500, dxAce wrote:
'Ol Vicente is a stinking piece of Mexican **** who wants to export his 'problems' to the USA. Oops, didn't notice until now that this got crossposted into the Gladiator Mosh Pit that is rec.radio.shortwave. I have no interest in Mexican political issues. I was merely commenting that it would seem the current political leadership in that country would seemingly be less interested in requiring its U.S. targetting Mexican licensed English-language stations to carry an hour of Spanish-language government programming per week. That's all. Now, return to your "battles". Does anyone actually talk about shortwave radios on that group anymore? |
Mike wrote: On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:50:16 -0500, dxAce wrote: 'Ol Vicente is a stinking piece of Mexican **** who wants to export his 'problems' to the USA. Oops, didn't notice until now that this got crossposted into the Gladiator Mosh Pit that is rec.radio.shortwave. I have no interest in Mexican political issues. I was merely commenting that it would seem the current political leadership in that country would seemingly be less interested in requiring its U.S. targetting Mexican licensed English-language stations to carry an hour of Spanish-language government programming per week. That's all. Now, return to your "battles". Does anyone actually talk about shortwave radios on that group anymore? Yep, all the time. However, we currently seem to be infested with a lot of 'tards who nothing about shortwave. dxAce Michigan USA |
MIKE,
I have long felt that all Foreign Language TV Broadcasts in the USofA should be "Required" by Law or FCC Requlation: To use the Second Audio-Channel Programming (SAP) to Broadcast a "Translation" of the Foreign Language Programming into English. This "Doubles" the 'potential' Viewer-Listerner Market for the TV Broadcaster. Increases the 'diversity' of English Language Programming for "English Only" Speakers. American Citizens who are "English Only" Speakers have the Right-to-Know TOO in 'any' Language. Use the same 5% Rules that Courts have Applied to other means of Communications. .. jm2cw ~ RHF .. .. |
dxAce wrote:
'Ol Vicente is a stinking piece of Mexican **** who wants to export his 'problems' to the USA. dxAce Michigan USA You think all Germans are Nazis and Canadians are retards, too. Does this give you a hint why you are giving Americans a bad name? Grow up, hillbilly...don't be like your President. mike |
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