Mike, I am simply having a discussion, not trying to battle it out
logically. You are making things complex, when they needn't be. I
disagree with a great deal of your logic, in particular with respect to
rights (tell me straight out, if you cannot be harmed, then what is the
purpose, the good in having a right? When one cannot be downtrodden,
it becomes utterly needless) which seems designed to justify the eating
and cruelty to animals. I don't need meat to survive, therefore I
cannot justify hurting animals that simple. If you need meat or
whatever, then go for it. I am done.

Bruce Jensen