"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
the fundies-the "Christians" who spew hate at everybody
who doesn't believe exactly as they do

isn't this in and of itself a hate filled statement ? ~ RHF

More like an observation, with some subjective translation to the
printed word.

Bruce Jensen

Perhaps I am wrong, but I was laboring under the belief that
the word "Fundies" is a derisive slur for fundamentalist Christians.

73,

Steve

--
Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Every moment of a human life is an act of worship.

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

Perhaps I am wrong, but I was laboring under the belief that
the word "Fundies" is a derisive slur for fundamentalist Christians.


Some people use it to paint all Christians with a broad brush and
condemn anyone with faith and beliefs. You should see some of the rants
on the electronics newsgroups where we are referred to as "Rabid
fundies". Then they blame every problem in the world on Christians and
claim the world would be perfect if we were all dead.

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Some people use it to paint all Christians with a broad brush and
condemn anyone with faith and beliefs. You should see some of the rants
on the electronics newsgroups where we are referred to as "Rabid
fundies". Then they blame every problem in the world on Christians and
claim the world would be perfect if we were all dead.

Wow. Nice people. Honest musing he I wonder how many of them
have crappy lives, and blame God for everything? I admire anyone,
Christian or not, who has wrestled and wrangled with questions of being,
faith, the world, and the meaning of life (for lack of a less-hackneyed
phrase),
but can't bear the in-your-face stridency that I see from those who blame
Christians for everything -- Just about as much as it sickens me to see
the weak sister pseudoChristians in the world. (I'll bet money you know
a few of 'em - I certainly do).

73,

Steve

--
Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Every moment of a human life is an act of worship.

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

Wow. Nice people. Honest musing he I wonder how many of them
have crappy lives, and blame God for everything? I admire anyone,
Christian or not, who has wrestled and wrangled with questions of being,
faith, the world, and the meaning of life (for lack of a less-hackneyed
phrase),
but can't bear the in-your-face stridency that I see from those who blame
Christians for everything -- Just about as much as it sickens me to see
the weak sister pseudoChristians in the world. (I'll bet money you know
a few of 'em - I certainly do).

It was the actions of a number of so called Christians that kept me
out of church for 35 years. What they did and said, and the way they
treated people made me sick. I had faith, but I couldn't share it with
them because their thoughts were on money, new cars, fancy clothes and
who had the biggest church in the county. Another church contacted me
about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined
their church. The "Pastor" claimed it was a joke but I only took the
job because I needed the money. I was in dozens of churches around my
home town doing repairs and I didn't feel anything but pushy people
making outrageous demands.

I've had a number of things happen in my life that a lot of people
don't believe. When I moved to Florida I had a choice of two vehicles.
An Olds Starfire which was so small there wasn't enough room for half of
my clothes, and a 73 Chevy stepvan that had sat in my drive for four
years. A drunk driver hit my other car and rammed it into the truck,
totaling both cars. The engine was seized, someone took the front
grill, the back bumper was missing and there was a lot of rust. I told
my friends I was going to resurrect the truck and use it. A friend used
a logging chain and his souped up four wheel drive off road truck to
pull me out of my driveway and got the truck up to 25 miles an hour. I
popped the clutch and killed his engine. He started it and pulled me
around the block to leave the truck in front of my house. He shook his
head ands said, That engine will never run without a complete overhaul.
I used Break Free penetrating oil in the cylinders, prayed about it and
a half hour later the engine turned over when I tried it. I had the
truck running for $8 and spent $52 on a used gas tank. I drove the
truck a little over 5000 miles and didn't even pull the valve cover. I
made one round trip from Ohio, and a second run to Florida in a truck
people didn't believe would make the city limits.


After a little rest to recover for all the driving I started looking
for work. I walked into the business office of a local Christian TV
station and was told they had no openings, and no budget to hire anyone
at that time but let me fill out an application for broadcast engineer.
They told me several times there was no job, but they had to take the
application and keep it on file for the FCC. I got a phone call the
next afternoon from their engineer asking me if I could stop by the
studio in Orlando to talk to him. I was to be there the next day anyway
so I set an appointment. We met and talked, and i was reminded that
there was no money, but I was told they wanted to hire another engineer
in about six months and would see if I was still looking. They called
the next morning and asked if I could start the next day, that some
money had turned up. There are a lot of other things like this that
have happened, including walking way from a totaled seven month old '83
Toyota pickup when a woman hit me head on in my lane on the highway and
the cop's amazed expression when I told him I was the driver, and Yes, I
wasn't dead.

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

Wow. Nice people. Honest musing he I wonder how many of them
have crappy lives, and blame God for everything? I admire anyone,
Christian or not, who has wrestled and wrangled with questions of being,
faith, the world, and the meaning of life (for lack of a less-hackneyed
phrase),
but can't bear the in-your-face stridency that I see from those who blame
Christians for everything -- Just about as much as it sickens me to see
the weak sister pseudoChristians in the world. (I'll bet money you know
a few of 'em - I certainly do).

Yes, there are a number of atheists who are angry at God for whatever
reason (strange, since God doesn't exist) and bash everybody of faith
relentlessly. This particular atheist believes that there are good
people of every faith, and that faith per se is not bad. But when
believers want to point a gun at my head and tell me what to believe, or
want to overthrow the US Constitution and replace it with a Christian
version of Iran, I'm gonna get mad. I'm a tolerant guy, but don't touch
my rights under the First Amendment or attempt to overthrow the
Constitution.

It was the actions of a number of so called Christians that kept me
out of church for 35 years. What they did and said, and the way they
treated people made me sick. I had faith, but I couldn't share it with
them because their thoughts were on money, new cars, fancy clothes and
who had the biggest church in the county. Another church contacted me
about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined
their church. The "Pastor" claimed it was a joke but I only took the
job because I needed the money. I was in dozens of churches around my
home town doing repairs and I didn't feel anything but pushy people
making outrageous demands.

I grew up in Mormonism. Mormons are VERY obsessed with the idea that
Jesus blesses the rich, when in fact Jesus said that a rich man shall
never get into heaven. I am high functioning autistic (Asperger
Syndrome) and my social faux pas'es were ruthlessly mocked by the other
kids and even by some adults. All they wanted was oneupmanship on each
other. I quit at the age of 12 and went in search of a church, then a
religion, that lived up to its ideals. I came up empty-just endless
preaching of intolerance and dumbed down sheep robotically repeating the
hate that spewed forth from the leaders. Then I became an atheist, and
suddenly I became a prime target for every half wit conversion attempt
in existence. I've heard it all, from instant faith healing of my
problems to the ignorant blather of missionaries trying to sound loving
while thinking "raw meat" in the backs of their minds. At least the
Mormons send their missionaries out at age 19 so they don't have a
chance to get jaded-those freshly scrubbed potato brains from Idaho
really DO believe, they really ARE sincere, and they try their
damnedest. Each missionary converts, on average, one person every six
months out of a total two year assignment.


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"running dogg" wrote:

Yes, there are a number of atheists who are angry at God for whatever
reason (strange, since God doesn't exist) and bash everybody of faith
relentlessly. This particular atheist believes that there are good
people of every faith, and that faith per se is not bad. But when
believers want to point a gun at my head and tell me what to believe, or
want to overthrow the US Constitution and replace it with a Christian
version of Iran, I'm gonna get mad. I'm a tolerant guy, but don't touch
my rights under the First Amendment or attempt to overthrow the
Constitution.

Well, I know for a fact that there are many folks who call themselves
"Christians" who would gladly attempt to subvert the Constitution in
an attempt to assert their version of a theocracy. *However*, for
every one of those, there are thousands and thousands who love our
Constitutional Republic, who feel that our rights are given by God and
guaranteed by the Constitution, and who would gladly defend our
Constitution. If a "believer" wants to point a gun at your head, that's
assault. In such a situation, it's probably best to be pointing something
back. (2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and all of that). Problem
solved.

I grew up in Mormonism. Mormons are VERY obsessed with the idea that
Jesus blesses the rich, when in fact Jesus said that a rich man shall
never get into heaven. I am high functioning autistic (Asperger
Syndrome) and my social faux pas'es were ruthlessly mocked by the other
kids and even by some adults. All they wanted was oneupmanship on each
other. I quit at the age of 12 and went in search of a church, then a
religion, that lived up to its ideals. I came up empty-just endless
preaching of intolerance and dumbed down sheep robotically repeating the
hate that spewed forth from the leaders. Then I became an atheist, and
suddenly I became a prime target for every half wit conversion attempt
in existence.

For what it's worth, there are MILLIONS of people who've been down
that very same road you're walking, and I can't fault you for throwing in
the towel. I won't try to convert you (hell, this is rec.radio.shortwave),
but I can say truthfully that it looks like God didn't fail, humanity did.
It's
a story as old as humanity, sadly.

I've heard it all, from instant faith healing of my
problems to the ignorant blather of missionaries trying to sound loving
while thinking "raw meat" in the backs of their minds.

No, the REAL way to fix it is to handle snakes! Well, either that, or
come on down to the "compound." Profit Stair will gladly help you.

At least the
Mormons send their missionaries out at age 19 so they don't have a
chance to get jaded-those freshly scrubbed potato brains from Idaho
really DO believe, they really ARE sincere, and they try their
damnedest. Each missionary converts, on average, one person every six
months out of a total two year assignment.

I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Mormons. I've met dozens
and everyone of them seemed decent, and were full of good will. I've
talked about religion and politics with them, and they seemed to have
sound judgment. I disagree with them doctrinally, but I like their
live-and-
let-live attitude.

73,

Steve

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

"People mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss." Francis
Bacon

"When someone is saved from certain death by a strange concatenation of
circumstances, they say that's a miracle. But of course if someone is killed
by a freak chain of events -- the oil spilled just there, the safety fence
broke just there -- that must also be a miracle. Just because it's not nice
doesn't mean it's not miraculous." Terry Pratchett

Looks to me like you are accident prone.I have been driving since 1957
and I have never been involved in any auto accidents at all.My oldest
car is a 1914 Ford T model and my newest car is a 1986 Ford car.I sure
wouldn't ever want to ride with you!!!,,, accident prone dude!
cuhulin

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Another church contacted me
about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined
their church.

How nice. Not! I have a friend who has one of the strongest personal
faiths I've witnessed, and one of his favorite phrases goes something
like, "Forced religion is un-Christian."

I made one round trip from Ohio, and a second run to Florida in a truck
people didn't believe would make the city limits.

I resemble that remark (seriously). Had to drive from Fort Jackson, South
Carolina (Columbia, South Carolina area) all the way to Fargo, North Dakota
to help a friend many moons ago, in a clapped-out old 1979 Chevy Chevette
Scooter (Yup, AM radio, 3 speed on the floor) that had almost 300,000 miles
on it. That was a very, um, *nervous* trip.

There are a lot of other things like this that
have happened, including walking way from a totaled seven month old '83
Toyota pickup when a woman hit me head on in my lane on the highway and
the cop's amazed expression when I told him I was the driver, and Yes, I
wasn't dead.

And some people think it's all a matter of coincidence.
Not me! (read my sig line, heh).

73,

Steve

--
Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Every moment of a human life is an act of worship.

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.

I spent two weeks at Fort Jackson,South Carolina in 1962.Some of us
dudes were in a holding pattern there,waiting on a spot at Fort
Gordon,Georgia (Company D 5 2,Delta Company 5th Battalion,2nd Regiment)
to finish up so us dudes could go there and begin our Basic
Training,(Boot Camp) U.S.Army.That woman in the Day Room at Fort Jackson
told me to Please turn your radio down,you are drowning out the Piano!
The entire City of Columbia,South Carolina is within the boundary of
Fort Jackson.
cuhulin