WLS in Chicago is reporting White Smoke from the Vatican


dxAce
Michigan
USA

Of course,White Smoke means they have decided/voted on who the next Pope
will be.
cuhulin

dxAce wrote:

WLS in Chicago is reporting White Smoke from the Vatican

He is a great man... I see it in his eyes.



dxAce
Michigan
USA

And from the world of instant internet communications german Cardinal
Ratzinger is the new pope. Too bad they can't break away from
europeans.....

John S. wrote:

And from the world of instant internet communications german Cardinal
Ratzinger is the new pope. Too bad they can't break away from
europeans.....


The Catholic Church is very slow to change. For 500 years the
"tradition" was that an Italian always got the job. In 1978 that
tradition was broken when a Pole (JP2) was elected. This is the first
election in 26 years, and I found it highly unlikely that a Latino or
African would be elected, despite the fact that the Church is growing
fast in Latin America and Africa while it is shrinking in North America
and Europe. I think it's sad that Catholicism can't change with the
times, not doctrinally but in the good ole European boy network, and it
might be the death of the Church eventually.


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running dogg wrote:

John S. wrote:

And from the world of instant internet communications german Cardinal
Ratzinger is the new pope. Too bad they can't break away from
europeans.....


The Catholic Church is very slow to change. For 500 years the
"tradition" was that an Italian always got the job. In 1978 that
tradition was broken when a Pole (JP2) was elected. This is the first
election in 26 years, and I found it highly unlikely that a Latino or
African would be elected, despite the fact that the Church is growing
fast in Latin America and Africa while it is shrinking in North America
and Europe. I think it's sad that Catholicism can't change with the
times, not doctrinally but in the good ole European boy network, and it
might be the death of the Church eventually.

So even though they probably looked at who best to do the job they should have cast
that notion away and been more 'PC'? At least in your eyes?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote:

So even though they probably looked at who best to do the job they should
have cast
that notion away and been more 'PC'? At least in your eyes?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

If that's what he's saying (though I'm not saying he IS saying that), I
wouldn't
be surprised. I was stunned at the number of commentators who said with
perfect certitude, "The next Pope must be more flexible, and open." Open
to WHAT?, I ask? What a load of shyte.

Pope Benedict XVI will, I believe, be a good Pope, and that's more important
than being a *great* Pope. He reveres tradition and dogma, and that's the
only
thing the Church has in its favor today.

I'm surprised that no one has ever considered that the scandals encircling
the
Church today is due to the liberalization and modernization of the Church?
Has anyone here, under the age of 50, ever spent a week in a seminary?
I have. One month, in fact, and the permissivity I witnessed there could be
one possible explanation for the fact that roughly 3 out of every 4
seminarians
were open, avowed homosexuals. Here's the stunning part - Their Bishop
knew! That kind of licentiousness might (hopefully) be dealt with by
Benedict
XVI. That's my prayer, at least. You are right, Steve. He is a good man,
and importantly, a STRONG man. Half the Church turned their back on him
when he said, twenty years ago, "There is much filth in the Church." If
we'd
listened, perhaps we could have cured the disease sooner.

73,

Steve

--
Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Every moment of a human life is an act of worship.

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.

--
Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Every moment of a human life is an act of worship.

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.

SMHL,

I think that choosing a Pope from South or Central America would have
helped the church in more than one way.

First it would signal to the world that the church is not as closed to
something as radical as a non-european pope. Seems kind of strange to
characterize such a change a radical when other religions include
females as a matter of course.

Second, it would have helped the church with membership in Brazil and
other south american countries where membership has been lost to more
open non-catholic religions.

Frankly, as a person who does not approve of the stodginess of the
Catholic Church anyway, I am happy to see it do anything to itself that
will alienate people. There are other effective ways to approach God
and Christianity, and they don't necessarily involve living in poverty
while the Vatican hoardes massive funds and begs adherents to keep that
cycle of poverty and pain going by pumping out endless children.

Jean-Paul was a kind man; the new Pope may be likewise - but their
ancient and artificial (and largely hypocritical) ways do not mesh well
with the realities of 2005's wider world. I say, let the Church
collapse on itself.

Bruce Jensen