Ebay: Was This Fair??
 

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Well, many overseas buyers (not in USA) may have someone in the USA whom the
seller can ship to and then the intermediary ships to the buyer overseas.

A real no-brainer.

dace
Michigan
USA

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here and
he might have picked it up.



Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not limiting
herself to her own restriction.


It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the hassle
of overseas shipping. Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.


But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.




I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.


Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.


Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that you
were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting the
item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.

Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.

You got outbid...

Get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

beerbarrel wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky


You should change your moniker!

Whiny 'Tard?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Good "strategery" on ships worldwide. I'll keep that in mind.

Ebay is full of jerks and alpha hotels. I'd say just ignore it and move
on.

I just dealt with some seller who has an item that weighs 4 lbs. The
ebay shipping calculator said $37. That's not going to happen. I got
the guy to agree USPS for 6lbs to cover packing material. He said fine
but wants $5 for the box. Needless to say, the auction was dropped from
my sniper software.

beerbarrel wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky


You should change your moniker!

Maybe to the "High-rise Harpy"

The poor fool simply seems to think that since he/she bid on the item it's
theirs.

Whiny little bitch/******* at any rate.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky



It's her item, she can do what see darn well pleases with it. She is
under no obligation to you what-so-ever since you did not have the
highest bid. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

"beerbarrel" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She
wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky



You should change your moniker!
_____________________
www.ReformUS.org

I asked for a opinion on this matter,but didn't know an asshole like you is
full of them.

Lucky

Lucky wrote:
"patgkz" wrote in message
...

Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios.

And that is their perogative.

If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

And you would be no better/worse off than you are now. So quit whinning
and except the fact you were out bid and the seller has the absolute
right to sell to that bidder no matter where the bidder is located.
You obviously didn't want the item as bad as the winning bidder or you
would have bid more.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

So would you be just as ****ed if someone from the US outbid you? Not
bidding on an item you want just because the seller will ship world wide
is a foolish stand to take. Bid anyway, you just might win and if you
don't then it just means someone else was willing to pay more than you.
Saying she would not ship outside the US is not a contract. She has the
right to change her mind at any time. You need to get over it.

Lucky wrote:

"beerbarrel" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She
wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky



You should change your moniker!
_____________________
www.ReformUS.org

I asked for a opinion on this matter,but didn't know an asshole like you is
full of them.

My opinion is that you're a whiner.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

Thanks for the reply
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

How do you know she didn't 'follow her contract' you stupid 'tard? The buyer may
very well have had someone here in the USA to ship to.

Stop your incessant whining.

Absolutely boggling.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

What is your auction ID? I want to make sure I block you in advance.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She
wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky


There are also buyers like me.. I live in Korea, but my address is a US
address (military). I rarely have problems, but occasionally I'll run into
someone that won't ship to me because they only use UPS or FedEx. I can
maybe understand someone not wanting to take the time and effort to go to
the post office if it's a ways away and the item is only a few dollars
worth.. but if it's something that sells for say, $300 or more, then it's
kinda foolhardy to decide you don't want to sell to someone if you can't get
it picked up at your home.

"Lucky" ) writes:


No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

But since you lost the auction, it doesn't matter how high you bid, since
you're not paying the price.

It would be different if she doesn't sell to the Japanese bidder, but
expects you to pay the full bid, since at that point the bidding is
inflated, if the Japanese guy was your direct competition.

Michael

Life sucks, you have kids and it sucks more, you deal with Ebay and is sucks
big time!

"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She
wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.


Good thinking. It's still a sad state of affairs when you have to ask if someone
will stick to the terms they themselves set. Mind you, this situation can work
to your benefit, too. I've told some 'US only' sellers that if they would ship
to Canada, I'd bid on the item. Out of the three times I asked, Two said ok. The
third said the paper work was too much. He was a high volume seller with his
hands full as it was. I could see his point.



mike

Yep, buying on eBay is not for the faint of heart. There is no guarantee
that the players will stick by Queensbury rules. Get over it and move on
to the next auction.
"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

It's always a blast to watch the antics of the mentally ill/retarded.

You lost the auction because you didn't bid high enough 'tard, not because the
seller didn't follow some particular 'contract' as obviously defined by you, the
sorry ass loser.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:


Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details of
this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes. The
auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last experience with
a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy it
Now for $597.

Sounds like a smart seller, he evidently made more by relisting it. So
why didn't you buy it the first time at the BIN price? Oh, you were
hoping to low ball it for a cheaper price.

This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying way
over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers.

And the problem with that is? Other than it means you don't get the item.

People from
overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices since most
Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away from worldwide
auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann mentioned. Plus these
foreign bidders money is worth more then our US dollar so they can pay more
too.

That's life, deal with it. So what you really want is for no foreing
bidders to bid against you so you can have your item. Auctions don't
work that way in case you haven't noticed.


When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to US
ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any of
us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen.

Why? The Japanese buyer won it fair and square. So you don't want any
Japanese bidding against you because they seem to be willing to pay more
than you are.

The radio would have been mine if that overseas
buyer wasn't allowed to bid since the seller mentioned TO US ONLY in BIG
print. So I was sure this seller wouldn't accept a foreign bidder.

So now you want sellers who have an item you want to disallow any
overseas buyers so you can maybe win the auction. Again, you don't seem
to understand how an auction works. eBay is world wide and no seller is
obligated to disallow certain bidders just for your benefit. You really
need to get a clue. Maybe the Jap buyer had it shipped to a friend in
the U.S. who then shipped it to him. Again, the seller can do whatever
they wish about shipping and they don't have to take your feelings into
consideration at all.


Then on top of that, when I asked the seller about her auction and the
Japanese winner, she thanked me for "alerting" her to this and would get
back to me. I even offered her the winning bidders price so she would not
have lost anything. Not a cent. But she never got back to me with any sort
of explanation.

And she didn't owe you any explaination.

I hope some of you can see why this particular auction annoyed the hell out
of me. Yes, the sour grapes on my part are far more reaching then if it was
a US American buyer. He would have won fair and square.

Just like the Jap guy won fair and square, and the fact that the seller
decided to allow his winning bid and ship to Japan is her perogrative
and none of your business. She can do what she damn well pleases with
her auction.

Sour grapes, you're just hacked because some foreign bidders will pay
more than you will. Get over it, and if the auction game is too tough
for you because sellers won't accomadate you just so you can win, then
you need to find a different venu to obtain your items.
Want some cheese with that whine?

Pete KE9OA wrote:
I am not talking about losing the auction............I am talking about the
way that she said she would get back to him, and didn't.

So you have *never* in your life told someone you would get back to them
and didn't I suppose.

dxAce wrote:

Pete KE9OA wrote:


I am not talking about losing the auction............I am talking about the
way that she said she would get back to him, and didn't.


At that juncture she had no responsibility to get back to him whatsoever. He
lost the auction...

In reality, he was trying to alter or defeat the auction process by making
another offer after another individual won the auction.

Which is against ebay rules.

dxAce wrote:

Pete KE9OA wrote:

I am not talking about losing the auction............I am talking about the
way that she said she would get back to him, and didn't.

At that juncture she had no responsibility to get back to him whatsoever. He
lost the auction...

In reality, he was trying to alter or defeat the auction process by making
another offer after another individual won the auction.

As an addendum, what she was probably trying to say when she said she'd get back
to him was that she'd get back to him if circumstances with the winning bidder
change.

Another no-brainer.

dace
Michigan
USA



dxAce
Michigan
USA

It would have been
better if she had said "look, you lost the auction, and that's how it is".
I don't have respect for blow-off artists. Actually, I don't care for eBay,
unless I can deal with the seller face to face.
For this reason, I only bid on things that are in the Chicago area. It does
limit my options, but if I want to buy a currently available item, I just
buy it new. None of this "works perfectly, but as with all electronic
equipment, sold as is" bit.
If I really want something bad enough, I enter a very high bid. If I come
out high bidder, good........if not, oh well.

Pete

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Pete KE9OA wrote:

Hi Lucky,

I understand how you feel. The worst thing is that the seller told you
that
she would get back to you, and didn't.
As far as this model receiver, more of them will show up.
On a good note, there is a high probability that this receiver has a
blown
1st mixer, and not too many people know how to repair this
receiver...............that is, if they can even find the SL-6440 mixer.
Out of 5 of these receivers that came up for sale in the last year, I
either
ended up repairing them, or sending an SL-6440 to people that needed to
repair the receivers themselves.
People don't generally sell them unless they are broken.............this
isn't always, but in my limited experience, it seems to be the rule
rather
than the exception.
Of course, the seller has the choice to be a blow-off artist if she so
chooses, but would you really want to buy from that kind of person? It
makes
me wonder if the radio was any good to begin with.
Who is the seller? I will make sure that I avoid that person in the
future.

Why?... he lost the auction... plain and simple... I can't see how or why
he, or
anyone else doesn't understand that.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Tue, 17 May 2005 15:54:43 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:


"patgkz" wrote in message
...
Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that
you were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting
the item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




No that's not the real reason I'm mad. You see, it wouldn't have bid up that
high but these collectors from Japan are willing to pay crazy prices for
certain radios. If I saw that the auction was for overseas bidders too, I
would have passed on it right from the start cause I knew what happened
would happen and it did.

Get used to it. You aren't really thinking the oil that comes
out of ANWR will be sold only in the US at lower than world prices,
are you? When China holds a fistful of dollars, all that oil that came
from once-public property owned by US taxplayes will be dealt out to
the highest bidder and we'll never see a drop of it. eBay is just the
tiniest reflection of what's going on.



I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win it but
would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and followed
her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US ONLY I will
ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.

Thanks for the reply
Lucky

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"m II" wrote in message
news:8wwie.68587$tg1.47577@edtnps84...
Lucky wrote:

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win
it
but would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and
followed her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US
ONLY I will ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.


Good thinking. It's still a sad state of affairs when you have to ask if
someone will stick to the terms they themselves set. Mind you, this
situation can work to your benefit, too. I've told some 'US only'
sellers
that if they would ship to Canada, I'd bid on the item. Out of the three
times I asked, Two said ok. The third said the paper work was too much.
He
was a high volume seller with his hands full as it was. I could see his
point.



mike

Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details of
this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes. The
auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last experience
with
a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy
it
Now for $597.

This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying
way
over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers. People from
overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices since most
Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away from
worldwide
auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann mentioned. Plus these
foreign bidders money is worth more then our US dollar so they can pay
more
too.

When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to US
ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any of
us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen. The radio would have been mine if that
overseas
buyer wasn't allowed to bid since the seller mentioned TO US ONLY in BIG
print. So I was sure this seller wouldn't accept a foreign bidder.

You have yet to answer the question that has been asked numerous
times.......how do you know the radio was shipped outside the US? The
bidder being from Japan doesn't mean diddly squat.

Dave Stadt wrote:

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"m II" wrote in message
news:8wwie.68587$tg1.47577@edtnps84...
Lucky wrote:

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win
it
but would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and
followed her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US
ONLY I will ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.


Good thinking. It's still a sad state of affairs when you have to ask if
someone will stick to the terms they themselves set. Mind you, this
situation can work to your benefit, too. I've told some 'US only'
sellers
that if they would ship to Canada, I'd bid on the item. Out of the three
times I asked, Two said ok. The third said the paper work was too much.
He
was a high volume seller with his hands full as it was. I could see his
point.



mike

Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details of
this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes. The
auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last experience
with
a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy
it
Now for $597.

This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying
way
over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers. People from
overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices since most
Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away from
worldwide
auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann mentioned. Plus these
foreign bidders money is worth more then our US dollar so they can pay
more
too.

When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to US
ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any of
us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen. The radio would have been mine if that
overseas
buyer wasn't allowed to bid since the seller mentioned TO US ONLY in BIG
print. So I was sure this seller wouldn't accept a foreign bidder.

You have yet to answer the question that has been asked numerous
times.......how do you know the radio was shipped outside the US? The
bidder being from Japan doesn't mean diddly squat.

Correct. I've dealt with numerous folks who had another individual here in the
USA to ship items to.

I've also in the past acted as an intermediary for an individual to be able to
purchase items here and then have them shipped overseas.

Once again, he lost the item because he was unwilling to bid high enough.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

You lot need to chill out.wtf has all this oneupmanship got to do with
shortwave listening.

I hope some of you can see why this particular auction annoyed the hell out
of me. Yes, the sour grapes on my part are far more reaching then if it was
a US American buyer. He would have won fair and square. But the major blame
is on this seller. The rules and morals of this world don't exist any more.
What you say, and what your actions don't jive anymore.

Thanks for your time to all who replied.

Lucky...feeling bitter lately

First, how do you know the buyer was on Japan? By his email? Maybe
he lives in the US now but his email is based in Japan. And even if
he does live in Japa, he may have made arrangements with someone
stateside to accept the package. And what did she say exactly? That
she will get back or she will gat back if this guys doesn't follow
through.

GROW UP.

This is how auctions work. If you want sympathy give us your address
and we will send you a damn card. Otherwise be a mensch and accept
the fact that life is not fair.

Pete KE9OA wrote:

I am not talking about losing the auction............I am talking about the
way that she said she would get back to him, and didn't. It would have been
better if she had said "look, you lost the auction, and that's how it is".
I don't have respect for blow-off artists. Actually, I don't care for eBay,
unless I can deal with the seller face to face.
For this reason, I only bid on things that are in the Chicago area. It does
limit my options, but if I want to buy a currently available item, I just
buy it new. None of this "works perfectly, but as with all electronic
equipment, sold as is" bit.
If I really want something bad enough, I enter a very high bid. If I come
out high bidder, good........if not, oh well.

Pete

I try to get the seller on the phone so I can evaluate them. You can
usually get a pretty good idea about someone by the way they talk and
answer your questions. Of course this doesn't work well with the
pathological liars because they believe what they're saying. :-)

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oups.com...
I don't know whether you wanted the 150E as a collectible or because
you wanted something that would perform better than the standard 150.
However, if the latter is what you wanted, then you may be better off
having lost the auction. At least one (apparently well-informed) SWL
site

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/pi...ent/lowe1.html


compares the HF-150 and HF-150E this way:

"A higher specification HF-150 was later released named the HF-150
Europa. This higher specification radio offered band-pass filtering
similar to that offered in the HF-225, a back light for the frequency
read-out and a black anodised aluminium case rather than the standard
brown. However it is claimed that in use the HF-150 Europa is not as
good as the straight HF-150 because the additional front end filtering
reduces the ultimate sensitivity of the radio from 0.4uV to 1.5uV.
Additionally while the I.F. (Intermediate Frequency) remained at 45 MHz
and thus the 'second channel' or 'image' lies between 90.03 MHz and 120
MHz, depending on where the radio is tuned (i.e. across much of the
v.h.f. Band II FM), because of compromised filtering performance
employed in the "E" version this could result in breakthrough of
wide-band FM signals if the listener's aerial picked up these
frequencies. For these reasons we would recommend that anyone looking
to buy a Lowe HF-150 today should look for the standard (and superb)
version of the HF-150, rather than the ulimately poorer performing
Europa version."

I can't vouch for this view personally, as I've never used a 150E.
However, I've seen these claims made not only on this particular site
but in other places as well.

I'd be interested to hear from people who've used both receivers.

Steve


Yes I read that Steve

I pointed that out in a thread about the Europa once. But Mark Holden who I
repect a lot, had this to say about article:

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Lucky wrote:
"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message

On the difference between the Europa and the regular HF-150, I'd take the
Europa. The input filtering is likely to be more useful than any loss in
sensitivity.


He says:
"Incorporating these RF bandpass filters should theoretically reduce
spurious responses and noise. I compared the '150E to my early model '150.
When the original '150 was connected to my 90/60 meter parallel dipole,
there were several frequencies below 3 MHz which had images of local
broadcasters. With the '150E , there were no audible images present, but
there was increased noise on the same frequencies".


and


"I found that the original HF-150 was about 0.5 microvolts more sensitive
across the HF spectrum, however, the HF-150E was within specification of
less than two microvolts throughout the HF spectrum, and was typically in
the range of one microvolt. I think that the higher sensitivity of the
original may not be a virtue, given the radio's susceptibility for
overloading. I don't think that this difference is significant, and
switching in the pre-amp on the HF-150E improved the sensitivity to the
level of the '150 without pre-amp"


So basically he had to switch on the pre amp to bring it up to the 150's
sensitivity. If you don't live in areas with strong stations, I'd rather
have the sensitivity.


Plus, I didn't know the backlight option can't be turned off in the E. So,
it will drain your batteries if you ever use it as a portable.


Lucky



I'd be interested in hearing more about the "increased noise" in the
Europa - the reviewer didn't say anything other than he noticed it. Who
knows if it's significant?

I bring plenty of power for recharging battery packs when I'm camping.
I'd gladly trade the convenience of a backlight for a little battery
drain.


Unless you've taken heroic measures or live in the woods, odds are the
noise floor for your antenna will be higher than 2 microvolts.


My primary home antenna is 225 feet away from the house, with
underground coax, and according to my Harris, the noise floor is right
around the limit of the Europa.


If you were using the radio to chase DX in the woods, you could use an
outboard preamp or an active antenna.


When I was looking for a HF-150e or a 7030+ my primary concern was
finding a good radio for use when camping, and for when I'm hanging out
by the pool or fishing for snook on the other side of Alligator Alley.


The HF-150e had the edge on size and would probably have cost less, the
7030+ had the edge on performance, and availability.


Both radios were designed by the same person.

"Pete KE9OA" wrote in message
...
Hi Lucky,

I understand how you feel. The worst thing is that the seller told you
that she would get back to you, and didn't.
As far as this model receiver, more of them will show up.
On a good note, there is a high probability that this receiver has a blown
1st mixer, and not too many people know how to repair this
receiver...............that is, if they can even find the SL-6440 mixer.
Out of 5 of these receivers that came up for sale in the last year, I
either ended up repairing them, or sending an SL-6440 to people that
needed to repair the receivers themselves.
People don't generally sell them unless they are broken.............this
isn't always, but in my limited experience, it seems to be the rule rather
than the exception.
Of course, the seller has the choice to be a blow-off artist if she so
chooses, but would you really want to buy from that kind of person? It
makes me wonder if the radio was any good to begin with.
Who is the seller? I will make sure that I avoid that person in the
future.

Pete

"Lucky" wrote in message
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"m II" wrote in message
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Lucky wrote:

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win
it but would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented
and followed her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says
US ONLY I will ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.


Good thinking. It's still a sad state of affairs when you have to ask if
someone will stick to the terms they themselves set. Mind you, this
situation can work to your benefit, too. I've told some 'US only'
sellers that if they would ship to Canada, I'd bid on the item. Out of
the three times I asked, Two said ok. The third said the paper work was
too much. He was a high volume seller with his hands full as it was. I
could see his point.



mike

Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details
of this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes.
The auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last
experience with a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy
it Now for $597.

This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying
way over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers. People
from overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices since
most Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away from
worldwide auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann mentioned.
Plus these foreign bidders money is worth more then our US dollar so they
can pay more too.

When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to
US ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any
of us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen. The radio would have been mine if that
overseas buyer wasn't allowed to bid since the seller mentioned TO US
ONLY in BIG print. So I was sure this seller wouldn't accept a foreign
bidder.

Then on top of that, when I asked the seller about her auction and the
Japanese winner, she thanked me for "alerting" her to this and would get
back to me. I even offered her the winning bidders price so she would not
have lost anything. Not a cent. But she never got back to me with any
sort of explanation.

I hope some of you can see why this particular auction annoyed the hell
out of me. Yes, the sour grapes on my part are far more reaching then if
it was a US American buyer. He would have won fair and square. But the
major blame is on this seller. The rules and morals of this world don't
exist any more. What you say, and what your actions don't jive anymore.

Thanks for your time to all who replied.

Lucky...feeling bitter lately




Actually the seller doesn't really sell radios. She sells home made baskets.
That's her thing. She had a AOR 7030 and that Europa for sale for a friend
as a "shack reduction sale" I was willing to take a chance even though she
only had a feedback of 16 on very small sales.

Perhaps you're right and I am better off.

Thanks Pete
Lucky

"starman" wrote in message
...
Pete KE9OA wrote:

I am not talking about losing the auction............I am talking about
the
way that she said she would get back to him, and didn't. It would have
been
better if she had said "look, you lost the auction, and that's how it
is".
I don't have respect for blow-off artists. Actually, I don't care for
eBay,
unless I can deal with the seller face to face.
For this reason, I only bid on things that are in the Chicago area. It
does
limit my options, but if I want to buy a currently available item, I just
buy it new. None of this "works perfectly, but as with all electronic
equipment, sold as is" bit.
If I really want something bad enough, I enter a very high bid. If I come
out high bidder, good........if not, oh well.

Pete

I try to get the seller on the phone so I can evaluate them. You can
usually get a pretty good idea about someone by the way they talk and
answer your questions. Of course this doesn't work well with the
pathological liars because they believe what they're saying. :-)

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You are very right. Next time I will do that.
I can ask all the questions I want and see if it's for me. But like you
said, with those pathological liars even a voice stress analyzer wouldn't
help :)

Lucky

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Lucky wrote:


Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details
of this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes.
The auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last
experience with a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy
it Now for $597.

Sounds like a smart seller, he evidently made more by relisting it. So why
didn't you buy it the first time at the BIN price? Oh, you were hoping to
low ball it for a cheaper price.


No Mr. Cmd.

Perhaps you would have liked it that way but here is the thread for that
auction and Steve brought up a question if it really was a Europa and not
just a black 150 and then the auction was pulled after he asked. So I wasn't
"low balling it". Some how I don't like your tune.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...db0cf94f3692da



This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying
way over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers.

And the problem with that is? Other than it means you don't get the item.

And when it happens to you, I hope you feel the same way.


People from overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices
since most Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away
from worldwide auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann
mentioned. Plus these foreign bidders money is worth more then our US
dollar so they can pay more too.

That's life, deal with it. So what you really want is for no foreing
bidders to bid against you so you can have your item. Auctions don't work
that way in case you haven't noticed.


Yes it does work that way with MOST sellers that won't ship overseas no
matter what. So auctions do work that way in case YOU haven't noticed.


When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to
US ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any
of us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen.

Why? The Japanese buyer won it fair and square. So you don't want any
Japanese bidding against you because they seem to be willing to pay more
than you are.

The radio would have been mine if that overseas buyer wasn't allowed to
bid since the seller mentioned TO US ONLY in BIG print. So I was sure
this seller wouldn't accept a foreign bidder.

So now you want sellers who have an item you want to disallow any overseas
buyers so you can maybe win the auction.

That's right. It cuts down on the number of bidders so if someone states
they won't address all those other foreign bidders and and say so in the
auction, they should stick to it. There are terms that people should stick
to in life. It shows who and what they are in this world. Sorry if you don't
see that.

Again, you don't seem
to understand how an auction works. eBay is world wide and no seller is
obligated to disallow certain bidders just for your benefit. You really
need to get a clue. Maybe the Jap buyer had it shipped to a friend in the
U.S. who then shipped it to him.

This is true. I have no idea if that happened. I think it would have been
nice if the seller told me that since I was a bidder and helped bid her item
up high.

Again, the seller can do whatever
they wish about shipping and they don't have to take your feelings into
consideration at all.


Then on top of that, when I asked the seller about her auction and the
Japanese winner, she thanked me for "alerting" her to this and would get
back to me. I even offered her the winning bidders price so she would not
have lost anything. Not a cent. But she never got back to me with any
sort of explanation.

And she didn't owe you any explaination.

No one has to do anything Cmd. For some reason I like to deal with humans,
not robots.

Lucky


I hope some of you can see why this particular auction annoyed the hell
out of me. Yes, the sour grapes on my part are far more reaching then if
it was a US American buyer. He would have won fair and square.

Just like the Jap guy won fair and square, and the fact that the seller
decided to allow his winning bid and ship to Japan is her perogrative and
none of your business. She can do what she damn well pleases with her
auction.

Sour grapes, you're just hacked because some foreign bidders will pay more
than you will. Get over it, and if the auction game is too tough for you
because sellers won't accomadate you just so you can win, then you need to
find a different venu to obtain your items.
Want some cheese with that whine?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

"m II" wrote in message
news:8wwie.68587$tg1.47577@edtnps84...
Lucky wrote:

I did bid pretty high too. But yes, of course I'm ****ed I didn't win
it
but would have if she kept the auction the way it was represented and
followed her contract. And the next time I see an auction that says US
ONLY I will ask the seller if they will stick to that before I bid.


Good thinking. It's still a sad state of affairs when you have to ask
if
someone will stick to the terms they themselves set. Mind you, this
situation can work to your benefit, too. I've told some 'US only'
sellers
that if they would ship to Canada, I'd bid on the item. Out of the
three
times I asked, Two said ok. The third said the paper work was too much.
He
was a high volume seller with his hands full as it was. I could see his
point.



mike

Exactly. Perhaps I should have filled everyone on the important details
of
this auction and why I'm so ****ed and why it's not just sour grapes. The
auction was for a Lowe HF-150 Europa radio. Here is my last experience
with
a foreign Japanese buyer for a Lowe 150 Europa.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=5751121 391

As you can see it went for $880 from a Japanese collector. You will also
notice I didn't bid on it cause the seller shipped worldwide. This is the
auction where the guy canceled his original auction and relisted it. But
this time he started the bidding at $595 where in the first it was a Buy
it
Now for $597.

This is not the first time I've seen Japanese and foreign buyers paying
way
over what they usually go for and blowing away other buyers. People from
overseas seem to be always willing to buy at very high prices since most
Ebayers won't ship out of the country. So, I always stay away from
worldwide
auctions unless it's a little item like Brenda Ann mentioned. Plus these
foreign bidders money is worth more then our US dollar so they can pay
more
too.

When I finally found another Europa auction, and I saw it was "Ships to
US
ONLY" more then 3 times, I jumped on it.
This is what I've been waiting months for.

So, when I lost the auction of course I was disappointed and sad as any
of
us would be for this radio. Then, when I saw the winner was a foreign
Japanese overseas buyer, I couldn't believe it. Yes, it made me100 times
more mad to see this happen. The radio would have been mine if that
overseas
buyer wasn't allowed to bid since the seller mentioned TO US ONLY in BIG
print. So I was sure this seller wouldn't accept a foreign bidder.

You have yet to answer the question that has been asked numerous
times.......how do you know the radio was shipped outside the US? The
bidder being from Japan doesn't mean diddly squat.





I don't Dave. I really don't know. But it would be nice to be told what
happened.
When I sell something, I get back to all who asked questioned and had
concerns.
But that's just me I guess.

Lucky

"GWBush" wrote in message
...
I hope some of you can see why this particular auction annoyed the hell
out
of me. Yes, the sour grapes on my part are far more reaching then if it
was
a US American buyer. He would have won fair and square. But the major
blame
is on this seller. The rules and morals of this world don't exist any
more.
What you say, and what your actions don't jive anymore.

Thanks for your time to all who replied.

Lucky...feeling bitter lately

First, how do you know the buyer was on Japan? By his email? Maybe
he lives in the US now but his email is based in Japan. And even if
he does live in Japa, he may have made arrangements with someone
stateside to accept the package. And what did she say exactly? That
she will get back or she will gat back if this guys doesn't follow
through.

GROW UP.

This is how auctions work. If you want sympathy give us your address
and we will send you a damn card. Otherwise be a mensch and accept
the fact that life is not fair.

Japan was noted as his location and all his other buys were from Europe. I
am a mensch and always try to be. But I'd rather have candy then the
cards...

Lucky

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Lucky wrote:
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

It's her item, she can do what see darn well pleases with it. She is under
no obligation to you what-so-ever since you did not have the highest bid.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Yes it is sour grapes with a twist....

Lucky

"Namikis" wrote in message
...
Yep, buying on eBay is not for the faint of heart. There is no guarantee
that the players will stick by Queensbury rules. Get over it and move on
to the next auction.
"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only".
OK I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in
the ad. She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he
was a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky




That's what I plan to do. I'll get one of these Europas someday. Just like
I've been waiting a year for that Harris 550 :)
As my Mom used to say, "you'll see it like you can see your ears".

Lucky