On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:23:26 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:43:49 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
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If all he was guilty of was not renewing his visitors permit,then he
shoudn't have ran.He should have stopped regardless.He would either be
walking around in limeyland now or on his way back to
Brazil,whatever.Things are very tense over there,he should have known
that.He was stupid and the cops did the right thing.

What would happen in America if two cops held a man down on the ground
while the third cop shot him 8 times?

They'd be clered for "acting in good faith."

Report in the paper yesterday the police somewhere in the US fired 120
shots at an unarmed driver trying to get away.

Mike
M.J.Powell

That was slightly over a month ago, the city was Compton located in
Los Angeles County, California. The agency was Los Angeles Sheriff
Department. The initial response to this by the Sheriff Department
was that the deputies failed to coordinate their response with each
other, failed to follow training/accepted practices for such a
situation and in general blew it.

FWIW, several Southern California law enforcement agencies are
struggling with how to respond to threats from suspects in vehicles;
1) it is difficult at best to determine if they are armed and 2) the
vehicle itself constitutes a weapon. So, somebody who is driving a
3000# 'weapon' and also has a firearm and is in a 'mighty ****ed off'
state of mind does become a real threat to public safety. Sometimes
law enforcement does truly blow it, try to remember that for every
largely publicized error there are hundreds of traffic stops, warrants
served and arrests made that happen without incident.

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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:23:26 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:43:49 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
wrote:

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If all he was guilty of was not renewing his visitors permit,then he
shoudn't have ran.He should have stopped regardless.He would either be
walking around in limeyland now or on his way back to
Brazil,whatever.Things are very tense over there,he should have known
that.He was stupid and the cops did the right thing.

What would happen in America if two cops held a man down on the ground
while the third cop shot him 8 times?

They'd be clered for "acting in good faith."

Report in the paper yesterday the police somewhere in the US fired 120
shots at an unarmed driver trying to get away.

Mike
M.J.Powell

That was slightly over a month ago, the city was Compton located in
Los Angeles County, California. The agency was Los Angeles Sheriff
Department. The initial response to this by the Sheriff Department
was that the deputies failed to coordinate their response with each
other, failed to follow training/accepted practices for such a
situation and in general blew it.

I hope it was in a rural area. The idea of 120 rounds flying about in a
populated place is frightening.

FWIW, several Southern California law enforcement agencies are
struggling with how to respond to threats from suspects in vehicles;
1) it is difficult at best to determine if they are armed and 2) the
vehicle itself constitutes a weapon. So, somebody who is driving a
3000# 'weapon' and also has a firearm and is in a 'mighty ****ed off'
state of mind does become a real threat to public safety. Sometimes
law enforcement does truly blow it, try to remember that for every
largely publicized error there are hundreds of traffic stops, warrants
served and arrests made that happen without incident.

Brit practice is to follow until something happens. A helicopter is
useful. If the driver is known to be armed then an ARV (Armed Response
Vehicle) is called in. The occupants have to get permission from a
senior officer to open the locked box and carry the firearms.

Mike
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M.J.Powell

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:12:25 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
wrote:

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Report in the paper yesterday the police somewhere in the US fired 120
shots at an unarmed driver trying to get away.

Mike
M.J.Powell

That was slightly over a month ago, the city was Compton located in
Los Angeles County, California. The agency was Los Angeles Sheriff
Department. The initial response to this by the Sheriff Department
was that the deputies failed to coordinate their response with each
other, failed to follow training/accepted practices for such a
situation and in general blew it.

I hope it was in a rural area. The idea of 120 rounds flying about in a
populated place is frightening.
It was an urban area and yes, even folks not in the lines of fire
were frightened that it happened.

FWIW, several Southern California law enforcement agencies are
struggling with how to respond to threats from suspects in vehicles;
1) it is difficult at best to determine if they are armed and 2) the
vehicle itself constitutes a weapon. So, somebody who is driving a
3000# 'weapon' and also has a firearm and is in a 'mighty ****ed off'
state of mind does become a real threat to public safety. Sometimes
law enforcement does truly blow it, try to remember that for every
largely publicized error there are hundreds of traffic stops, warrants
served and arrests made that happen without incident.

Brit practice is to follow until something happens. A helicopter is
useful. If the driver is known to be armed then an ARV (Armed Response
Vehicle) is called in. The occupants have to get permission from a
senior officer to open the locked box and carry the firearms.

Mike
That is what our law enforcement agencies do also, wherever possible.
Often, the suspect will stop and force a confrontation in a highly
populated area which leaves the officers little choice in their
response. The case cited above is NOT typical of law enforcement
response where the goal is apprehension of the suspect with minimal
risk to the general public. FWIW, I am familiar with Compton and can
offer that if patrolled by the Brits they would NOT keep their
firearms in a lock-box.

Howard

Howard wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:12:25 +0100, "M. J. Powell"
wrote:

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Report in the paper yesterday the police somewhere in the US fired 120
shots at an unarmed driver trying to get away.

Mike
M.J.Powell

That was slightly over a month ago, the city was Compton located in
Los Angeles County, California. The agency was Los Angeles Sheriff
Department. The initial response to this by the Sheriff Department
was that the deputies failed to coordinate their response with each
other, failed to follow training/accepted practices for such a
situation and in general blew it.

I hope it was in a rural area. The idea of 120 rounds flying about in a
populated place is frightening.
It was an urban area and yes, even folks not in the lines of fire
were frightened that it happened.

FWIW, several Southern California law enforcement agencies are
struggling with how to respond to threats from suspects in vehicles;
1) it is difficult at best to determine if they are armed and 2) the
vehicle itself constitutes a weapon. So, somebody who is driving a
3000# 'weapon' and also has a firearm and is in a 'mighty ****ed off'
state of mind does become a real threat to public safety. Sometimes
law enforcement does truly blow it, try to remember that for every
largely publicized error there are hundreds of traffic stops, warrants
served and arrests made that happen without incident.

Brit practice is to follow until something happens. A helicopter is
useful. If the driver is known to be armed then an ARV (Armed Response
Vehicle) is called in. The occupants have to get permission from a
senior officer to open the locked box and carry the firearms.

Mike
That is what our law enforcement agencies do also, wherever possible.
Often, the suspect will stop and force a confrontation in a highly
populated area which leaves the officers little choice in their
response. The case cited above is NOT typical of law enforcement
response where the goal is apprehension of the suspect with minimal
risk to the general public. FWIW, I am familiar with Compton and can
offer that if patrolled by the Brits they would NOT keep their
firearms in a lock-box.

Yeah, Compton ain't Ozzie and Harriet land, that's for sure.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

If I lived in Compton,,,,, ohhh,skip it!
cuhulin

A few years ago,the idea of an old elderly guy in Northern limeyland
whom was defending his life with his Firearm agains't burglers (that
married Irish woman in Bognor Regis,England emailed me news about
that,she hates limeyland) was amazing too,wasen't it? He went to gaol.
cuhulin

Over here in Jackson,Mississippi,they have cracked down on tinted
windows in vehicles and I say that is good.There is a noise ordance
too,such as those loud A.. boom boxes/radios in vehicles but they don't
enforce that law very much.It is suppose to be if that racket can be
heard about 200 feet away,the cops can issue them a..holes a ticket.But
every once in a while,them yeyhoos come down my street with that loud
raket rattling my windows.If it was up to me,they would all be castrated
and never allowed to ever drive again.
cuhulin

Road Rage California.Luckily,that sort of thing almost never happens
around here.
cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com science class car runs on hydrogen never needs
refueling
The article where it says he fills the car with a syringe (something
like that) Maybe it was Colorado where he built his little experimental
car instead of North Carolina,whichever.
cuhulin