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Burr wrote:
SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she
intends to
take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military
operations
in Iraq.
"I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be
pretty
exciting," she said.

Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on
"vegetable
oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her
daughter.

They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting
her book,
"My Life So Far" on Saturday.

Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans
that she's
met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her
silence on
the Iraq war.

"I've decided I'm coming out," she said.

Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda
announced her
intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement.

"I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I
carry a
lot of baggage from that."

Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed
sitting on
a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the
country to drum
up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not
mean any harm
by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her
face at a
signing.

But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was
friendly in
Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold.

Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said
he
believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven.

"We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a
human
being," Powell said.



Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up
in
my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better
idea,
why don't they drive their environmentally proper
vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the
insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In
some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah
Jane's
Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get
one
more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will
plan a
vacation in some other state.

BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq,
but
would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose
our
current involvement.

All that's old is new again. Unfortunately.

Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement.

--Mike L.

Michael Lawson wrote:
"John S." wrote in message
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Burr wrote:
SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she
intends to
take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military
operations
in Iraq.
"I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be
pretty
exciting," she said.

Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on
"vegetable
oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her
daughter.

They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting
her book,
"My Life So Far" on Saturday.

Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans
that she's
met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her
silence on
the Iraq war.

"I've decided I'm coming out," she said.

Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda
announced her
intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement.

"I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I
carry a
lot of baggage from that."

Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed
sitting on
a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the
country to drum
up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not
mean any harm
by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her
face at a
signing.

But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was
friendly in
Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold.

Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said
he
believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven.

"We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a
human
being," Powell said.



Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up
in
my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better
idea,
why don't they drive their environmentally proper
vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the
insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In
some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah
Jane's
Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get
one
more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will
plan a
vacation in some other state.

BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq,
but
would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose
our
current involvement.

All that's old is new again. Unfortunately.

Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement.

Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original
hippie movement.

"John S." wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:
"John S." wrote in message
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Burr wrote:
SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she
intends to
take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S.
military
operations
in Iraq.
"I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to
be
pretty
exciting," she said.

Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs
on
"vegetable
oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and
her
daughter.

They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was
promoting
her book,
"My Life So Far" on Saturday.

Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war
veterans
that she's
met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break
her
silence on
the Iraq war.

"I've decided I'm coming out," she said.

Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda
announced her
intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement.

"I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said.
"I
carry a
lot of baggage from that."

Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was
photographed
sitting on
a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the
country to drum
up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not
mean any harm
by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in
her
face at a
signing.

But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was
friendly in
Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold.

Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace,
said
he
believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven.

"We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated
like a
human
being," Powell said.



Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show
up
in
my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better
idea,
why don't they drive their environmentally proper
vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the
insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now.
In
some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah
Jane's
Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should
get
one
more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will
plan a
vacation in some other state.

BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in
Iraq,
but
would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who
oppose
our
current involvement.

All that's old is new again. Unfortunately.

Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement.

Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original
hippie movement.

Happened around 87-92, mainly late high school and
college age people, and was probably triggered by all
the "Summer of Love" retrospectives and Beatles
shows on television at the time. The Val Kilmer movie,
The Doors, probably helped feed it too. The movement
really didn't stand for anything other than acting like
a hippie and thinking you were cool for doing so.
Grunge swept both the pseudo hippies and the LA
metal sound out from the public's eye.

--Mike L.

All that's old is new again. Unfortunately.

Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement.

Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original
hippie movement.

Happened around 87-92, mainly late high school and
college age people, and was probably triggered by all
the "Summer of Love" retrospectives and Beatles
shows on television at the time. The Val Kilmer movie,
The Doors, probably helped feed it too. The movement
really didn't stand for anything other than acting like
a hippie and thinking you were cool for doing so.
Grunge swept both the pseudo hippies and the LA
metal sound out from the public's eye.

They're wannabe hippies attracted to the colorful clothes, flower power
language of the 60's and early 70's and grainy movies of happenings at
outdoor rock concerts. What they were missing was the reality of a
portion of a generation of kids caught up in a lot of drug use (opening
ones mind) and living in truly deplorable conditions (communes and
Haight-Ashbury). Fortunately many of them grew up and became
contributing members of society.

I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest
such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of
behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such
freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth").

"uncle arnie" wrote in message
...
I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest
such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of
behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such
freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth").

Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder,
etc., are completely different issues.
Or don't they teach you that in your country?

The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution.
Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary to
your own?
That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding
principle of your country?

SeeingEyeDog wrote:


"uncle arnie" wrote in message
...
I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to
suggest such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's
views of
behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such
freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth").

Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder,
etc., are completely different issues.
Or don't they teach you that in your country?

The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution.
Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary
to your own?
That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding
principle of your country?

Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different
things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with
advocating violence.

uncle arnie wrote:
SeeingEyeDog wrote:


"uncle arnie" wrote in message
...
I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to
suggest such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's
views of
behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such
freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth").

Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder,
etc., are completely different issues.
Or don't they teach you that in your country?

The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution.
Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary
to your own?
That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding
principle of your country?

Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different
things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with
advocating violence.

I agree with Arnie 100% on this. Threats or suggestions of violence
have NO place on this group.

He wasn't advocating violence. He was advocating Justice!!!
Had you committed treason like Jane Fonda you would have spent
time in prison or have been shot by a firing squad. I advocate the latter.
__________________________________________________ _________

Lawyers Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer seeks to make the case that in
fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal
grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the act
as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them
Aid and Comfort."

Their conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a
jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction probably
would have been upheld on appeal."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468

"uncle arnie" wrote

Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different
things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with
advocating violence.

What you suggest is justice is actually lynching. It would be interesting
to actually have such a trial BEFORE the execution. Such a trial would
provide a forum where the accused could raise all of the issues, including
the lawfulness of the war.

SeeingEyeDog wrote:

He wasn't advocating violence. He was advocating Justice!!!
Had you committed treason like Jane Fonda you would have spent
time in prison or have been shot by a firing squad. I advocate the
latter. __________________________________________________ _________

Lawyers Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer seeks to make the case that in
fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal
grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the
act as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving
them Aid and Comfort."

Their conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a
jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction
probably would have been upheld on appeal."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468

"uncle arnie" wrote

Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different
things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with
advocating violence.