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Is shortwave dying?
Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying
like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? |
"Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes. Now do you feel better? B.H. |
Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Is stamp collecting dying? I know people don't use stamps as much as they once did, since they don't use the regular mail as much as they once did. However, I'd expect this to be a boon to stamp collecting, as it makes stamps much more 'collectible'. The next time you decide to troll rec.radio.shortwave, I suggest you get your facts straight. Steve |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes. Now do you feel better? B.H. Why should I feel better!!! |
wrote in message oups.com... Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Is stamp collecting dying? I know people don't use stamps as much as they once did, since they don't use the regular mail as much as they once did. However, I'd expect this to be a boon to stamp collecting, as it makes stamps much more 'collectible'. The next time you decide to troll rec.radio.shortwave, I suggest you get your facts straight. Steve Steve. Somewhat excessive reaction to an innocent comment from me surely? Manners maketh the man. Lighten up mate!! I am a stamp collector and I can assure you its no longer "The hobby of Kings and King of hobbies" pity but true. Be nice please. Regards Mike |
"Mike Terry" wrote in message Why should I feel better!!! I don't know Mike? B.H. |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "Mike Terry" wrote in message Why should I feel better!!! I don't know Mike? B.H. I was hoping for some interesting responses to an issue very relevant to this newsgroup. Thanks Brian but have you anything more to say? |
"Mike Terry" wrote in message ... I was hoping for some interesting responses to an issue very relevant to this newsgroup. Thanks Brian but have you anything more to say? Just last night I was lamenting the shift of the old HF RTTY Newsagency services to satellite then the Internet. It's possible to now receive or download 10 or 100 times as much information in the same period of time, but it just isn't as much fun! Brad. |
Brian Hill wrote: "Mike Terry" wrote in message Why should I feel better!!! I don't know Mike? He's just upset that there's nothing much posted here in the way of shortwave for him to lift and post elsewhere without attribution. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
Whale Harpooning Clubs are in a steep decline.. so are the Glaiers in Alaska, Switzerland and Antartica.. I do wonder about Degen They just started making shirt pocket shortwave radios with 1,000 memories.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DE1105/?yguid=116079903 - Lotta spots for static ?? I wonder... Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: "Mike Terry" wrote in message Why should I feel better!!! I don't know Mike? He's just upset that there's nothing much posted here in the way of shortwave for him to lift and post elsewhere without attribution. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Not only that but anybody active in the hobby knows that this question has been asked 1 million times and a simple Google search will yield any information needed for the less informed. Heck Steve me and you have been DXing a good part of our lives and the gloom and doomers have been telling us that the hobby is dying ever since I can remember. I got plenty of loggings. How bout you? -- 73 and good DX. B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm |
Brian Hill wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: "Mike Terry" wrote in message Why should I feel better!!! I don't know Mike? He's just upset that there's nothing much posted here in the way of shortwave for him to lift and post elsewhere without attribution. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Not only that but anybody active in the hobby knows that this question has been asked 1 million times and a simple Google search will yield any information needed for the less informed. Heck Steve me and you have been DXing a good part of our lives and the gloom and doomers have been telling us that the hobby is dying ever since I can remember. I got plenty of loggings. How bout you? Plenty, and there's still stations out there I've never heard before. Why just in the past few weeks I got a new one, Radio Nova Visão up on 11734.9. It'll be a long time before shortwave is dead. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? I hate to say it, but here we go again. It is not dead. Not even close. It is true that sw is changing. Due to the internet and satellite, many of the major broadcasters have dropped English service and or service to the "modern/western" world. In the main, they have not dropped any of the "foreign" language programming directed to the third world. Half the time I DX the tropical bands, I find a transmitter that I cant find on any of the lists. If your disappointed about the loss of the good old days of Radio Moscow and the cold war, you've got plenty of domestic conspiracy crack pots to enjoy. And there is still stuff out there like Voice Of Justice (Iran) and Voice of Korea if you like the propaganda stuff. The medium is simply too economical and practical ever to be diminished to the point were there wasn't enough for a hobbyist to listen to. Michael |
wrote in message oups.com... The next time you decide to troll rec.radio.shortwave, I suggest you get your facts straight. You obviously haven't been on enough radio ng's to know Mike! |
Shortwave always falls off somewhat in popularity at this point in the
solar cycle. DX is a bit tougher to come by. There is not much doing above 15 MHz but the low bands are still packed in the evenings. Get those longer wires up there for the low frequencies and you will hear some DX. For the amateur operators out there - put up those 40 meter dipoles. Get up early on Sunday morning and you will hear at least one or two Australian hams calling CQ. I worked two last Sunday. You will have to get up around 0800UT but it will be worth it when those VK QSL cards arrive at your door. Jim On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:46:46 +0100, "Mike Terry" wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? |
Adding to the mix is the increasing cost of oil, Oil generated Electricity and hence Shortwave transmissions.. BUT, WBCQ, 7.415 Monticello Maine looks to be in the vanguard, putting up Wind Turbines, which will probably let it become a Net generator of Electricity. And yes, there are many many unlisted stations popping up, Volmets, Utilities, Aircraft bands - Ships, satellites, - all sorts of stuff ot there.. Life means change, which means ajustment / coping / picking up new ways of doing things & the upshot is.. It's still Fun.. |
The only thing dying is the brain cells of the off topic posters...
"Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? |
No... use just gotta learn to use filters. Why is that so hard for most
people?? "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? |
Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? It's because there really isn't all that much new to be found on the shortwave bands anymore. The information you find on BBC or China Radio can also be found on the net , cable tv or on CNN. The program related posts on this forum that generate the most excitement seem to be those listing the latest station to abandon the shortwave spectrum. Otherwise it's back to the fights about China politics, our verbally challenged president, bodily noises and whether the Yaesu FRG7 or the Drake of the same number was once the best radio of all time. Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? I dunno, stamp collecting seems to be alive and quite well by comparison. The USPS and its worldwide counterparts create something new for collectors to collect almost every day. My wife has taken up knitting again after a 30 year hiatus, and the forums she visits are full of people actually talking about the hobby. Strange as it may seem. |
"John S." wrote: Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? It's because there really isn't all that much new to be found on the shortwave bands anymore. The information you find on BBC or China Radio can also be found on the net , cable tv or on CNN. The program related posts on this forum that generate the most excitement seem to be those listing the latest station to abandon the shortwave spectrum. Otherwise it's back to the fights about China politics, our verbally challenged president, bodily noises and whether the Yaesu FRG7 or the Drake of the same number was once the best radio of all time. The Drake R7 is still a mighty receiver. I use mine all the time. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
Mike Terry wrote:
Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? It's because there really isn't all that much new to be found on the shortwave bands anymore. I must have an amazing setup, then. On most nights the shortwave bands are literally bursting at the seams for me here in Brooklyn, NY. The information you find on BBC or China Radio can also be found on the net , cable tv or on CNN. And, the information you find on the net, cable tv or CNN can also be found in newspapers and magazines. The program related posts on this forum that generate the most excitement seem to be those listing the latest station to abandon the shortwave spectrum. Otherwise it's back to the fights about China politics, our verbally challenged president, bodily noises and whether the Yaesu FRG7 or the Drake of the same number was once the best radio of all time. I sort of enjoy the receiver debates. Of all the receivers I've owned, my favorite is definitely the Drake R8B. I haven't been lucky enough to use an R7, but hope to have the chance one day. If another R7 ever turns up on ebay and I have some money burning a hole in my pocket....well, maybe...just maybe. Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? I dunno, stamp collecting seems to be alive and quite well by comparison. Not according to Mike Terry! |
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wrote: Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? It's because there really isn't all that much new to be found on the shortwave bands anymore. I must have an amazing setup, then. On most nights the shortwave bands are literally bursting at the seams for me here in Brooklyn, NY. But question asked why nobody posts about what they heard on BBC, CR, Havana or what their latest DX catch was (on topic posts). Not whether there are stations on the bands. If someone caught Radio Flyspeck domestic broadcast at 1733 or heard some exciting news on the 2300 broadcast of Megawatt International it sure isn't appearing on this forum. The only conclusion I can draw is that not much new is happening other than the gradual dwindling of international broadcasters. The information you find on BBC or China Radio can also be found on the net , cable tv or on CNN. And, the information you find on the net, cable tv or CNN can also be found in newspapers and magazines. And that's the point - there are many many reliable anbd more timely sources for information. The program related posts on this forum that generate the most excitement seem to be those listing the latest station to abandon the shortwave spectrum. Otherwise it's back to the fights about China politics, our verbally challenged president, bodily noises and whether the Yaesu FRG7 or the Drake of the same number was once the best radio of all time. I sort of enjoy the receiver debates. Of all the receivers I've owned, my favorite is definitely the Drake R8B. I haven't been lucky enough to use an R7, but hope to have the chance one day. If another R7 ever turns up on ebay and I have some money burning a hole in my pocket....well, maybe...just maybe. Sure talking about the receivers of old (and new) is fun - I enjoy it. But there has to be more to the hobby than that. It is the equivalent of people talking about their television set rather than what happened on the 6:00 news and Jay Leno. What are people using shortwave receivers for besides paper weights and room warmers. Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? I dunno, stamp collecting seems to be alive and quite well by comparison. Not according to Mike Terry! |
John S. wrote: wrote: Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? It's because there really isn't all that much new to be found on the shortwave bands anymore. I must have an amazing setup, then. On most nights the shortwave bands are literally bursting at the seams for me here in Brooklyn, NY. But question asked why nobody posts about what they heard on BBC, CR, Havana or what their latest DX catch was (on topic posts). Not whether there are stations on the bands. If someone caught Radio Flyspeck domestic broadcast at 1733 or heard some exciting news on the 2300 broadcast of Megawatt International it sure isn't appearing on this forum. The only conclusion I can draw is that not much new is happening other than the gradual dwindling of international broadcasters. I just posted last night about a numbers station I listened to, and that turned out to be "The Czech Lady". Others recently posted about Radio Tashkent, Radio Nigeria, Radio Belarus and CKZN in St. John's Newfoundland. I'd say that's pretty good. The information you find on BBC or China Radio can also be found on the net , cable tv or on CNN. And, the information you find on the net, cable tv or CNN can also be found in newspapers and magazines. And that's the point - there are many many reliable anbd more timely sources for information. Depends on what kind of information you have in mind, and what kind of broadcast. |
About two years ago,I bought some old antique jewelry and inside of the
box that lady donated to the Goodwill store was a big thick old homemade diary (or whatever it is called) with some old magazine clippings and there are some old letters and stamps in there too.I still have that stuff here.I collect all kinds of old things. cuhulin |
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. |
John S. wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. |
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:46:46 +0100, "Mike Terry"
wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? It was a lot more fun during the Cold War (just like everything else). |
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... John S. wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. Doesn't mean it will succeed, tho. 10 Mil to Google is a drop in the bucket. --Mike L. |
Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? The real question is: Will discussions of the death of shortwave ever die? I'm in my 40s and people have been announcing the death of shortwave ever since I can remember. Seriously, I remember it going back at least as far as the late 60s, when I was just a kid. We hear this tired old song over and over and over, and the people who sing it just never seem to get tired. If only I had that kind of stamina!!! These people should be out there competing in triathlons or something. Steve |
That propaganda bits got really, really old. I wouldn't go back to that
for anything. |
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Michael Lawson wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... John S. wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. Doesn't mean it will succeed, tho. 10 Mil to Google is a drop in the bucket. --Mike L. BPL has not been of checkered success in other countries. But FCC has made a commitment to it. Short of a sudden burst of good sense, they're not likely to back down, especially with the enormous commercial money being poured into it. My question is: How does BPL perform with electrical noise on the same line. The further out a line runs from the hub, the more noise it can pick up from switching, appliances, other electronic devices. We're all familiar with the huge noise output of an SCR dimmer. That's because of the enormous switching generated by the On/Off switching of the SCR. Since BPL is targeting rural users, where Edison can run on very long lines which are more susceptible to picking up, and radiating noise from high current transients, transients of surprisingly rich harmonic content, how's this going to affect digital devices taking down data bursts which may contain harmonics from these switching transients? Even modems are affected by low level noise on the line, which can create errors, and eventually disconnections. AC lines can be dramatically more noisy. I don't hold out a great deal of hope for the commercial success of BPL, but I don't suspect anyone in a position to change things will admit that until the damage HF usage has been compromised. |
D Peter Maus wrote: John S. wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. But their motivation for investing in a technology like BPL was hardly to kill shortwave as the OP stated. I think it is safe to say that shortwave broadcasting is probably close to the bottom of the list of competitive threats (and opportunities) that Google management is compelled to deal with. Not to say that shortwave broadcasting completely escapes the attention of Google. It is one of a gazzillion entries in their ever expanding search indices. |
John S. wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: John S. wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. But their motivation for investing in a technology like BPL was hardly to kill shortwave as the OP stated. I think it is safe to say that shortwave broadcasting is probably close to the bottom of the list of competitive threats (and opportunities) that Google management is compelled to deal with. Not to say that shortwave broadcasting completely escapes the attention of Google. It is one of a gazzillion entries in their ever expanding search indices. SW isn't even on the radar for Google's involvement in BPL. Collateral damage at best. But damage nonetheless. The point of the original poster, is that, taken as a whole, Google is dumping money into a project that will kill HF listening in many areas. Whether targeted or collaterally, is irrelevant. |
D Peter Maus wrote: John S. wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: John S. wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: In article , Mike Terry wrote: Why are there so few on topic postings on this newsgroup? Is shortwave dying like stamp collecting and other hobbies of the past? Yes, and Google has invested $100,000,000 to kill it. Boycott Google if you want to keep listening to shortwave radio. Huh??? Where did you get that notion. Please tell us what project to kill shortwave google is investing $100,000 in. And what could possibly be their motivation. Google dumped $10Million into BPL, which, it is feared, in most areas, may end HF listening. But their motivation for investing in a technology like BPL was hardly to kill shortwave as the OP stated. I think it is safe to say that shortwave broadcasting is probably close to the bottom of the list of competitive threats (and opportunities) that Google management is compelled to deal with. Not to say that shortwave broadcasting completely escapes the attention of Google. It is one of a gazzillion entries in their ever expanding search indices. SW isn't even on the radar for Google's involvement in BPL. Collateral damage at best. But damage nonetheless. The point of the original poster, is that, taken as a whole, Google is dumping money into a project that will kill HF listening in many areas. Whether targeted or collaterally, is irrelevant. But the OP's statement was that Google had targeted shortwave, which was obviously wrong. And that was what I was responding to. It's fine to change topics, but don't mix up responses. It's clear that the concerns of SWLs and HAMs are not even being considered in the decision to push BPL. That neither hobby can rouse any public, regulatory or legislative interest in the impact of BPL on amateur use of HF frequencies says a lot about the present state of those hobbies. That commercial broadcast and utility users of the HF spectrum apparently haven't registered any significant complaints says they are (1) Possibly very small in number, (2) unconcerned, (3) ready to pull out anyway or (4) all of the above. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... BPL has not been of checkered success in other countries. But FCC has made a commitment to it. Short of a sudden burst of good sense, they're not likely to back down, especially with the enormous commercial money being poured into it. .. BPL has mostly flopped in real world tests in the US, as well. However, I don't think the FCC has actually made any commitment to BPL. By allowing BPL, they've put themselves in a win-win position. If it works, millions of voters get a broadband internet access choice they otherwise wouldn't have. If BPL falls flat, no politician gets to point his finger at the FCC and claim "The DSL, cable and satellite interests are running the FCC!!" The second scenerio would be particularly attractive if the folks at the FCC were convinced that BPL doesn't really work. My question is: How does BPL perform with electrical noise on the same line. The further out a line runs from the hub, the more noise it can pick up from switching, appliances, other electronic devices. We're all familiar with the huge noise output of an SCR dimmer. That's because of the enormous switching generated by the On/Off switching of the SCR. Since BPL is targeting rural users, where Edison can run on very long lines which are more susceptible to picking up, and radiating noise from high current transients, transients of surprisingly rich harmonic content, how's this going to affect digital devices taking down data bursts which may contain harmonics from these switching transients? Even modems are affected by low level noise on the line, which can create errors, and eventually disconnections. AC lines can be dramatically more noisy. Absolutely. And you don't need imagine anything as high tech as a light dimmer or a switchmode power supply. How about a sparky 'ol vacuum cleaner? How would BPL perform in a thunderstorm? And that isn't even considering all the changes in RF reflections as circuits get switched. Lights go on and off. The neighbor's washing machine cycles. And the bigger the digital party line, the bigger the potential problems. I don't hold out a great deal of hope for the commercial success of BPL, but I don't suspect anyone in a position to change things will admit that until the damage HF usage has been compromised. I don't think the worst case scenerio, thousands of miles of HV power distribution wires carrying high speed digital signals, was ever practical. There's interference, there's unpredictable reflections and, even in the most optimistic case, the available bandwidth won't split among alot of users and still be high speed. There are other approaches which promise to cause much less interference, although I think the real motovation is to minimize BPL's vunerabilities: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/05/23/1/ Frank Dresser |
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