David wrote:
Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm

The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw
The world's largest frozen peat bog is melting, which could speed the
rate of global warming, New Scientist reports.
The huge expanse of western Siberia is thawing for the first time
since its formation, 11,000 years ago.

The area, which is the size of France and Germany combined, could
release billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

This could potentially act as a tipping point, causing global warming
to snowball, scientists fear.


The situation is an "ecological landslide that is probably
irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming,"
researcher Sergei Kirpotin, of Tomsk State University, Russia, told
New Scientist magazine.

The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw, he
added, and this "has all happened in the last three or four years".

Warming fast

Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere on the planet,
with average temperatures increasing by about 3C in the last 40 years.

The warming is believed to be due to a combination of man-made climate
change, a cyclical atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic
oscillation and feedbacks caused by melting ice.

When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can
end up in situations where it's unstoppable

The 11,000-year-old bogs contain billions of tonnes of methane, most
of which has been trapped in permafrost and deeper ice-like structures
called clathrates.

But if the bogs melt, there is a big risk their hefty methane load
could be dumped into the atmosphere, accelerating global warming.

Scientists have reacted with alarm at the finding, warning that future
global temperature predictions may have to be revised.

"When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end
up in situations where it's unstoppable," David Viner, of the
University of East Anglia, UK, told the Guardian newspaper. "There are
no brakes you can apply.

"This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once
it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up
temperatures even more than our emissions are doing."

The intergovernmental panel on climate change speculated in 2001 that
global temperatures would rise between 1.4C and 5.8C between 1990 and
2100.

However these estimates only considered global warming sparked by
known greenhouse gas emissions.

"These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then,"
Dr Viner said. "They had no idea how much they would add to global
warming."

I'm not knowlegeable enough to say whether global warming is a natural
cycle or whether it was partly induced by manmade pollution. That it
is happening is beyond doubt. A trip through alaska reveals glaciers
melting rapidly.

On 11 Aug 2005 07:15:01 -0700, "John S." wrote:




I'm not knowlegeable enough to say whether global warming is a natural
cycle or whether it was partly induced by manmade pollution. That it
is happening is beyond doubt. A trip through alaska reveals glaciers
melting rapidly.

The Earth is farting. What a way to go. I may resume smoking
cigarettes and drinking ethanol.

It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with
global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the
Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the
natural workings of the World.
cuhulin

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:21:11 -0500, wrote:

It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with
global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the
Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the
natural workings of the World.
cuhulin

That's a very good recitation of the party line, Herr Cookie.

Explain please why CO2 is higher than any time in the last 200,000
years?

http://www.gcrio.org/ipcc/qa/05.html

Blame it on the politicians then,it's all their d..n fault.I am fixin to
head on over to the Goodwill store and then to the Beer
(ooops,foodstore) store with my 1986 Ford car spewing polution into the
Atmosphere.
cuhulin

wrote in message
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Blame it on the politicians then,it's all their d..n fault.I am fixin to
head on over to the Goodwill store and then to the Beer
(ooops,foodstore) store with my 1986 Ford car spewing polution into the
Atmosphere.
cuhulin

You should be driving a 1986 Ford pickup truck with no less
than TWO clear-thru-the-quarterpanels 4" diameter rustout holes
in the bedliner in it! Not a damm 4-wheeler old lady car. Get an
old rusted out Ford PU, then you can toss yer beer cans and soda
cans in the tailbed and as you drive you can watch and bet when the cans
FALL THRU the rust holes onto the highway below whilst
turning or changing lanes on the Interstate. (this is better known
as 'Playing Redneck Billards' among the more refined grades of
American Trailer Trash......)

http://www.askuncleralph.com/

http://www.jolenestrailerpark.com/

Trucks I have owned before.1948 Chevrolet Pickup truck,1954 Ford one ton
truck which I bought at East Ford Company dealership,it had a big box
bed/body behind the cab,it originally was previously owned by a farmer
in Illinois and later on,I traded that truck for a 1967 Ford pickup
truck which I traded that truck for the 1948 Chevrolet pickup truck to a
guy who worked where I worked at Delta Cotton Oil company on Valley
Street.Later on,I bought a 1968 Chevrolet pickup truck from another guy
who worked at Delta Cotton Oil company.I am not a redneck (you dont know
how the word/term redneck/rednecks came about) Sure,I like trucks,my
vans (1971 Chevrolet van,my 1978 Dodge van,my 1982 Ford van,my 1971 big
ex-bread truck van,my 1942 Willys World War Two Jeep,my 1948 Willys
civilian Jeep,are all classified as trucks.I prefer my Jeeps and my vans
and my 1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car (it isn't for sale or
trade) to regular style trucks and pickup trucks.I am not the "image" of
a redneck in yours or anybody elses feeble little Nitwit Numbskull
"mind" driving down the road and throwing my empty beer cans in the back
of a pickup truck.I do my beer drinking right here on my couch in my
house and I throw my empty beer cans in a big plastic garbage
bag.Anything else you think! I should do? You MORON!
cuhulin

(You had to mention trucks...)

wrote in message ...
It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with
global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the
Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the
natural workings of the World.
cuhulin
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These same people who claim global warming were telling us back
in the 70's we're heading for global cooling, remember that one??
Through out earths history their have been many ice ages followed
by warming periods. One could say the earth is warming up, because
we are now coming out of a 10,000 year ice age. Man has little to
nothing to do with it. Read anything by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, I believe
is her name, and she spells it out quite well.


J

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:42 GMT, "Jeff"
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These same people who claim global warming were telling us back
in the 70's we're heading for global cooling, remember that one??
Through out earths history their have been many ice ages followed
by warming periods. One could say the earth is warming up, because
we are now coming out of a 10,000 year ice age. Man has little to
nothing to do with it. Read anything by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, I believe
is her name, and she spells it out quite well.


Do you have names for these ''same people''.

Does NASA ring a bell?

Could it be that in the past 30 years we learned more?

If the Gulf Stream quits bringing warm water to New England and Europe
might they get colder while Equatorial regions get warmer.

The word for today is ''thermohaline''.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas