"yachtboy!" wrote in message


So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved
in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"?

No body lied to anyone. You just want so badly to beleive that's true. You
have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you. Your helping the enemy with your lack of faith in your
country and your president.

B.H.

You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???

Bruce Jensen


Booo!!!

You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???
Bruce Jensen

Booo!!!

???

You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority
implied, that I just naturally assumed...

....but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one.

Bruce Jensen

MnMikew wrote:

"yachtboy!" wrote in message
...
If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?
I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points.

Dozens of UN resolutions violated for one.

And the cease fire as well...

By the way, I got to listen to AirAmerica last night for the very first time.
Heard the Randi Rhodes (sp) program.

What total crap!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"yachtboy!" wrote in message
...
If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?
I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points.

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

I'm so sorry we sucked all that oil and business away from the Communists.
We can still have mutual understanding and be friends, no?

"Brad" bradvk2qq AT w6ir.com wrote

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had
to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look
like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he
announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks,
hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

yachtboy! wrote:

why are we in Iraq?

Good question...and Brad gave a good answer:

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

Well stated, Brad!

Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just
how right that last statement of yours really is...

Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins
(recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's
question about "Why Iraq" is:

1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the
Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt
why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there).

2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia.

3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh
water in the Middle East.

Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the
economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint
wants to exit.

I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was
worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent
civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan...

P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the
Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather
that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their
politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your
flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick
read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking
a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the
citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with
your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing
elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little
****ed off?

Why Iraq,or anywhere else? Marshall Plan.
cuhulin

I hope that just once naive Americans would have a taste of what it would be
like if our enemies had control of a vital strategic U.S. resource. Sorry
but the 70's oil embargo was just not severe enough. Besides, it was such a
long time ago that the current crop of college boys haven't a clue.

"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
...
yachtboy! wrote:

why are we in Iraq?

Good question...and Brad gave a good answer:

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush
had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look
like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he
announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks,
hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden
boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

Well stated, Brad!

Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just
how right that last statement of yours really is...

Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins
(recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's
question about "Why Iraq" is:

1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the
Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt
why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there).

2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia.

3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh
water in the Middle East.

Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the
economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint
wants to exit.

I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was
worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent
civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan...

P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the
Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather
that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their
politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your
flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick
read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking
a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the
citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with
your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing
elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little
****ed off?