"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???

Bruce Jensen


Booo!!!

You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???
Bruce Jensen

Booo!!!

???

You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority
implied, that I just naturally assumed...

....but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one.

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off
at
Americans like you.

He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...???
Bruce Jensen

Booo!!!

???

You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority
implied, that I just naturally assumed...

I am most certain the Osama's of the world feel just as I stated.



...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing.

Your wrong.

And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.


No government has ever been completely square with anybody.


I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.


I don't support him on every position and frankly I support him on very
little but I do support him in regards to Iraq and the extremists Muslim or
any other fanatical group that seeks our demise.


We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one.

Bruce Jensen


Just because some of us believe the only way to purge the planet of scum is
to kill them off doesn't mean we blindly follow our leaders.

B.H.

yachtboy! wrote:

why are we in Iraq?

Good question...and Brad gave a good answer:

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

Well stated, Brad!

Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just
how right that last statement of yours really is...

Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins
(recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's
question about "Why Iraq" is:

1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the
Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt
why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there).

2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia.

3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh
water in the Middle East.

Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the
economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint
wants to exit.

I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was
worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent
civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan...

P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the
Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather
that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their
politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your
flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick
read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking
a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the
citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with
your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing
elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little
****ed off?

Why Iraq,or anywhere else? Marshall Plan.
cuhulin

"David" wrote
They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil.


and to stop the U.N. Oil-for-Fraud program.

"FDR" wrote

But we invaded despite the UN not sanctioning it. If we cared about the
UN
resolutions then we should have worked with the UN. We obviously decided
to
take matters into our own hands, so the whole UN resolution reason is
moot.


Keep your eyes on the ongoing Iranian nuke non-negotiations for your answer
on what would have occurred with Iraq had the U.N. been allowed to dictate
terms.

"bpnjensen" wrote

...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

http://www.dragoninthedark.com

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me.

That is why there is the House and Senate. By god, you are aware of them,
right?

The difference is that he was elected into office. Whether or not you
personally believe he was
elected is irrelevant unless you are a prospective dictator. Are you?.

This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job.

On what basis are you to judge his competency?

Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

Please show us the facts, not rhetoric, on exactly what points he is wrong.
I expect you to show verifiable and relevant facts from your vast
international intelligence sources. You imply that your "intelligence" is
superior.
Are you g-g-g-g-od?

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

You obviously have no clue what it is like to live under Fascism or
Communism.
But that is certainly not surprising considering the pathetic state of our
education system.
An education system that has become Socialist and conveniently omits the
history of these
hineous regimes. That is exactly what Fascist and Communist regimes do in
their "education' camps.
So in a sense, you are correct. This country is turning into a Fascist
Communist state. Unfortunately for you, your barking up the wrong tree. As
the CSNY said: "Teach your children well."

I suggest you stop reading the Left-Wing propaganda blogs and start a
library of balanced reading material consisting of books from well
respected authors. In at least a few years of intensive reading you will
have enough knowledge to at least coherently argue the President's
competency.

I'm so sorry we sucked all that oil and business away from the Communists.
We can still have mutual understanding and be friends, no?

"Brad" bradvk2qq AT w6ir.com wrote

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had
to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look
like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he
announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks,
hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

I hope that just once naive Americans would have a taste of what it would be
like if our enemies had control of a vital strategic U.S. resource. Sorry
but the 70's oil embargo was just not severe enough. Besides, it was such a
long time ago that the current crop of college boys haven't a clue.

"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
...
yachtboy! wrote:

why are we in Iraq?

Good question...and Brad gave a good answer:

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush
had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look
like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he
announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks,
hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden
boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

Well stated, Brad!

Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just
how right that last statement of yours really is...

Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins
(recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's
question about "Why Iraq" is:

1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the
Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt
why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there).

2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia.

3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh
water in the Middle East.

Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the
economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint
wants to exit.

I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was
worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent
civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan...

P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the
Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather
that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their
politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your
flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick
read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking
a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the
citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with
your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing
elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little
****ed off?