Chromium,Chrome.Africa and Russia.Vital? You bet your boots it
is,Chromium,Chrome is vital to America and if things lead to War so
America can continue to have Chromium,Chrome,So Be It!
cuhulin

SeeingEyeDog wrote:

I hope that just once naive Americans would have a taste of what it would be
like if our enemies had control of a vital strategic U.S. resource. Sorry
but the 70's oil embargo was just not severe enough. Besides, it was such a
long time ago that the current crop of college boys haven't a clue.

I am fed up with your Great Game bull****. You see everything as a Big
Contest between America and China. Us good, them bad. Everything and
everybody can be sacrificed so that Us can win. Uzbekistan? Iraq? Who
cares? As long as we control the resources those countries contain and
not China, the people who actually LIVE there can go to hell, for they
are expendable pawns in the Game. A nuke in New York? So what, as long
as we invade Iran because of it, and grab their oil so that China can't.
New Yorkers and Iranians are pawns in the Game too, and they might as
well be cardboard cutouts, because infinite numbers of them can be
burned in the furnace of imperial ambition. You are not only psychotic,
you are EVIL. You have implied that regime change in China is worth any
price, even a nuclear war, even as you savage CCP nomenklatura for
saying the same thing about America. This sort of thing led to the ruin
of many countries during the Cold War, and almost led to a nuclear
holocaust. All in the name of the Game, all so that one side could stand
on the rubble of the world and say that they won. I don't want that to
happen again.


"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
...
yachtboy! wrote:

why are we in Iraq?

Good question...and Brad gave a good answer:

You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush
had to
divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look
like
he was doing something about it.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America.

You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he
announced
a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and
spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and
shareholders.

You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks,
hummers,
radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden
boxes
and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion.

You are in Iraq because War is good for business.

Well stated, Brad!

Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just
how right that last statement of yours really is...

Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins
(recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's
question about "Why Iraq" is:

1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the
Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt
why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there).

2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia.

3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh
water in the Middle East.

Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the
economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint
wants to exit.

I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was
worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent
civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan...

P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the
Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather
that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their
politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your
flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick
read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking
a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the
citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with
your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing
elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little
****ed off?




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"FDR" wrote

But we invaded despite the UN not sanctioning it. If we cared about the
UN
resolutions then we should have worked with the UN. We obviously decided
to
take matters into our own hands, so the whole UN resolution reason is
moot.


Keep your eyes on the ongoing Iranian nuke non-negotiations for your answer
on what would have occurred with Iraq had the U.N. been allowed to dictate
terms.

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...

"FDR" wrote

But we invaded despite the UN not sanctioning it. If we cared about the
UN
resolutions then we should have worked with the UN. We obviously decided
to
take matters into our own hands, so the whole UN resolution reason is
moot.


Keep your eyes on the ongoing Iranian nuke non-negotiations for your
answer
on what would have occurred with Iraq had the U.N. been allowed to dictate
terms.



Buzzz wrong.

The great nation of Israel took care of that for us already a long long time
ago.

Lucky

We are paying for every drop of oil that comes from other Countries and
we are paying (from directly out of our pockets or credit cards/debit
cards and taxes) for that oil and every drop of oil that comes from
within U.S.A.and offshore.How much is the price of regular gasoline per
gallon where you live.If you you want to check the price of gasoline
where I live, www.jacksongasprices.com
cuhulin

-=jd=- wrote:
On Fri 12 Aug 2005 10:52:54p, "FDR"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
8...
On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote
in message :

If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?
I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points.




Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason
it to
a logical, strategic conclusion.

You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to
a tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that?

You've got a bee hive with a few million bees. Do you throw a baseball
at it? Or do you capture the queeen?



You throw every baseball you can get your hands on!!

break
You clearly haven't the slightest clue about radical islamic terrorism,
what it's stated, publicized goals are, or how to combat it.

You think stirring up the bee hive is a bad idea and that we should (ahem)
"capture the queeen". That is a fairly idiotic statement.

Osama and his peers are not "leaders" in the "cut off the head of the
snake" sense, but are more akin to the primary mouth-pieces. There are
plenty more waiting to fill in should one of them get zapped. If they are
killed, it has zero impact on planned operations. There is no "queen",

Not exactly zero impact there is a short term impact, but on the whole
Id rather keep UBL on the loose sucking up the Media O2 than allow
newer and more vigourous leader to emerge

leader, head, king, emperor, whatever else you want to call it that the
remainder of the structure relies upon to function, so your opinion seems
idiotic.

For a non-uniformed enemy who is trained to, and survives by, blending into
the general population, the only way you can get them to show themselves is
to "stir up the bee hive". 22-SAS has shown this to be an almost guaranteed
successful tactic for drawing them out. Instead of traipsing around the
globe, looking in a billion different spider-holes hoping to find one or
two, we have the terrorists coming (in droves) to our forces in Iraq -- we
don't have to go all over the world to find them! But, you apparently DO
NOT think "stirring up the bee's nest" in this case is a good idea, which
tells me you're an idiot.

When you capture *any* radical, islamic terrorist, you have only succeeded
in providing them with an excuse to stage another terrorist act to free the
catured one. No-one has yet demonstrated that anything other than martyring
them is the least bit effective in curtailing radical islamic terrorist
activities. Historically, most every "peaceful" method has met with utter,
abject failure. They can't be bribed, appeased, bargained with, negotiated
with - hell, they won't even tolerate your surrender to them. It seems the
only time they assent to negotiations is when they want a breather so they
can reload. That you would urge the "capture" of any of them, let alone
some non-existent "queen", tells me you are an idiot.

You should stick to discussing something you have a clue about. This
clearly isn't your subject and you look like just another Bush-bashing
idiot parroting some other misguided Bush-bashing blogger.

I keep hearing plenty of whining, liberal carpers who can't stomach the
thought of fighting an enemy who is physically, mentally and spiritually
committed to the destruction of western society. Just once, I would like to
hear their strategic idea for putting a stop to terrorism. Note, all
political efforts have failed in the past - there is no sane reason to
think any political effort will succeed in the future. However, just for
laughs, it would be interesting to hear the liberal solution to radical
islamic terrorism.

-=jd=-
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I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few
years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with
my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in
Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in
Mississippi.
cuhulin

wrote in message
...
I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few
years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with
my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in
Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in
Mississippi.

I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all.

Honus wrote:

I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few
years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with
my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in
Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in
Mississippi.


I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all.


There will be a collection taken for pots of honey.

The house smearing party will be announced in due course.




mike

"m II" wrote in message
news:BJCLe.178208$HI.46726@edtnps84...
Honus wrote:

I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few
years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with
my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in
Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in
Mississippi.


I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all.


There will be a collection taken for pots of honey.

The house smearing party will be announced in due course.

House? Is that how you guys in Canada spell the word "trailer"?