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Who is to blame?
Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his
problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. |
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Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Maybe he did, I'm still waiting for an authorative time line of what Bush, the Gov, and the mayor did. IT DOESN"T MATTER. As Soon as the Nat Weather Service declared a CAT4 storm on or near NO pre-loaded FEMA trucks all over the country are supposed to start the drive to marshalling points at the edge of teh storm area and then romm forward as soom as the storm passes. 90% of the trusks could be there in 48 hours. [1]Here we have the report that the Director of the NWS briefed Brown and Chertoff about the storm on Sunday; Hurricane Center Director Tells Paper He Briefed Brown and Chertoff on Danger of Severe Flooding By E&P Staff Published: September 04, 2005 6:55 PM ET http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001054595 [2] Here we have a Sunday Aug 28 newspaper story that shows that Bush knew the storm would cause a disaster. Mandatory evacuation ordered for New Orleans The Associated Press , 8/28/2005, 10:48 a.m. CT http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisi...list=louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. [3] BBC News has learned that FEMA officials deliberately prevented major convoys of heavy lorries carrying water, food, medicine, and other supplies essential for the survival of victims, from reaching towns and cities suffering in the aftermath Hurricane Katrina. When the first FEMA lorries began to arrive today, BBC reporters said "this is the first time we've seen this sign," pointing to the "FEMA" signs displayed on white A4 cards in the windscreens of the lorries. "This lorry driver loaded his truck on Monday but his bosses prevented him from coming here to these people until today." (BBC News 24, Sat, 3 Sep 05, 12:41 GMT.) [4] http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp Emergencies & Disasters Preparing America In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS. [5] FEMA MASH Hospital delayed http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050904/D8CDLUJO0.html ----------------------------------------- [6] http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlib...RPbaseplan.pdf The National Response Plan was accepted and implemented by Bush Administration in December 2004. According to the PREFACE, President Bush, "directed the development of a new National Response Plan (NRP) to align Federal coordination structures, capabilities, and resources into a unified, all discipline, and all-hazards approach to domestic incident management. . . .The end result is vastly improved coordination among Federal, State, local, and tribal organizations to help save lives and protect America's communities by increasing the speed, effectiveness, and efficiency of incident management." Efforts by Chertoff and other Administration spinmeisters to pin the blame on the delayed response on State and local authorities does not hold water. Although the NRP recognizes that State and local authorities have a responsibility to ask for help, the NRP correctly provides a provision to take proactive steps to deal with a threat. On page 43 of the NRP the section is titled, "Proactive Federal Response to Catastrophic Events" (which I have copied and pasted below: The NRP establishes policies, procedures, and mechanisms for proactive Federal response to catastrophic events. A catastrophic event is any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions. A catastrophic event could result in sustained national impacts over a prolonged period of time; almost immediately exceeds resources normally available to State, local, tribal, and private-sector authorities in the impacted area; and significantly interrupts governmental operations and emergency services to such an extent that national security could be threatened. All catastrophic events are Incidents of National Significance. Implementation of Proactive Federal Response Protocols Protocols for proactive Federal response are most likely to be implemented for catastrophic events involving chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive weapons of mass destruction, or large magnitude earthquakes or other natural or technological disasters in or near heavily populated areas. Guiding Principles for Proactive Federal Response Guiding principles for proactive Federal response include the following: Y The primary mission is to save lives; protect critical infrastructure, property, and the environment; contain the event; and preserve national security. Y Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of catastrophic magnitude. Y Identified Federal response resources will deploy and begin necessary operations as required to commence life-safety activities. Y Notification and full coordination with States will occur, but the coordination process must not delay or impede the rapid deployment and use of critical resources. States are urged to notify and coordinate with local governments regarding a proactive Federal response. Y State and local governments are encouraged to conduct collaborative planning with the Federal Government as a part of "steady-state" preparedness for catastrophic incidents. Implementation Mechanisms for Proactive Federal Response to Catastrophic Events The NRP Catastrophic Incident Supplement (described in the Catastrophic Incident Annex) addresses resource and procedural implications of catastrophic events to ensure the rapid and efficient delivery of resources and assets, including special teams, equipment, and supplies that provide critical lifesaving support and incident containment capabilities. These assets may be so specialized or costly that they are either not available or are in insufficient quantities in most localities. The procedures outlined in the NRP Catastrophic Incident Supplement are based on the following: Y The pre-identification of Federal assets and capabilities; Y The strategic location of pre-identified assets for rapid deployment; and Y The use of pre-scripted mission assignments for Stafford Act declarations, or individual agency authority and funding, to expedite deployment upon notification by DHS (in accordance with procedures established in the NRP Catastrophic Incident Supplement) of a potential catastrophic event. Agencies responsible for these assets will keep DHS apprised, through the HSOC, of their ongoing status and location until the JFO is established. Upon arrival at the scene, Federal assets will coordinate with the Unified Command, the SFLEO, and the JFO (or its forward elements) when established. Demobilization processes, including full coordination with the JFO Coordination Group, are initiated either when the mission is completed or when it is determined the magnitude of the event does not warrant continued use of the asset. While the Bush Administration is to be commended for coming up with a plan for dealing with terrorism and large scale disasters, it must be condemned for its abject failure to implement the NRP. And, specific heads must roll starting with Michael Chertoff and the head of FEMA. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
And cheney was hideing down there in that underground Bunker picking at
that pimple on his a..! Or whichever underground Bunker in America. cuhulin |
fema is WORTHLESS.Hey,check out that article at www.drudgereport.com
about the Scumbag red cross.I told y'all before,Dont send anything to red cross.Instead,send to the Salvation Army. cuhulin |
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Beerbarrel wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 11:10:00 -0400, (Al Dykes) wrote: In article , Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Maybe he did, I'm still waiting for an authorative time line of what Bush, the Gov, and the mayor did. IT DOESN"T MATTER. As Soon as the Nat Weather Service declared a CAT4 storm on or near NO pre-loaded FEMA trucks all over the country are supposed to start the drive to marshalling points at the edge of teh storm area and then romm forward as soom as the storm passes. 90% of the trusks could be there in 48 hours. And they did....my niece works for Fema and was dispatched to staging points near the storm. That was at least 48 hours prior. Interesting. Can you name the kind of unit she is in? -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
And why did fema turn the trucks back? American Military has some all
wheel drive trucks that can go underwater useing waterproof ignition systems and snorkels for the air intake for the engines and pipes for the engines exhaust.I have driven one before. cuhulin |
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:04:17 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote:
Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I blame God. |
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:52:08 GMT, David wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:04:17 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I blame God. You don't matter! |
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"Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I think we should eliminate FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security. They do nothing anyway. |
FDR wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I think we should eliminate FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security. They do nothing anyway. Then why are you screaming liberal 'tard boys bitching about why they didn't show up fast enough if they don't do anything anyway? Sheesh... you stupid *******s are even dumber than we first thought. dxAce Michigan USA |
Al Dykes mumbled some nonesense:
------------------------- The topic thread names is "Who is to blame?". Real simple, the idiots who choose to live BELOW sea level. The same idiots who lived below sea level protected by a flood wall/levee system designed for a class 3 huricane who stayed put when a CLASS !4! was forecast to come ashore where they lived. You have to love the brainless left, see: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16494464-5001160,00.html for an example of a well thought liberal out response. "With the boat loaded with members of Penn's entourage, including a personal photographer, one bystander taunted the actor: "How are you going to get any people in that thing?"" Terry |
Someday,there will be underwater Cities under the Seas/Oceans.We will
have Bases on the Moon and on Mars.Are they idiots,there are people right now living in the International Space Station? Are the people in the Nederlands and Venis,Italy and Mexico City,Mexico and people who live downstream from big Dams idiots? cuhulin |
David wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:04:17 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I blame God. Why? He's not in charge here. |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I think we should eliminate FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security. They do nothing anyway. Then why are you screaming liberal 'tard boys bitching about why they didn't show up fast enough if they don't do anything anyway? You don't read very well do you. Yeah, we're mad they didn't do anything for 5 +days and in my previous post I said: "They do nothing anyway." That means they haven't done anything for a long time. Sheesh... you stupid *******s are even dumber than we first thought. Why don't you take a deep breath and then recite to me what FEMA did for 5+ days that made a difference. Then recite to me why it took 5+ days. The tell me how we are supposed to somehow feel confident that when the next terrorist attacks happens that we will be taken care of. dxAce Michigan USA |
wrote in message oups.com... Al Dykes mumbled some nonesense: ------------------------- The topic thread names is "Who is to blame?". Real simple, the idiots who choose to live BELOW sea level. The same idiots who lived below sea level protected by a flood wall/levee system designed for a class 3 huricane who stayed put when a CLASS !4! was forecast to come ashore where they lived. You probably blame a woman for getting raped too. You have to love the brainless left, see: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16494464-5001160,00.html for an example of a well thought liberal out response. "With the boat loaded with members of Penn's entourage, including a personal photographer, one bystander taunted the actor: "How are you going to get any people in that thing?"" Terry |
Beerbarrel wrote:
Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Well, It isn't just about NO. Here is a report on neesler AFB in Miss. Notice they didn't get out 'til 9/1. Anyone familiar with La, Miss. etc knows the states are heavly forested. Especially the northern parts. I heard a news crew say it took them 19 hours to get to the Miss. coast from Atlanta. They had to cut their way through the downed trees across the interstate with a chainsaw to get through. Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:59:15 -0400 From: Maj Shooter Subject: Keesler AFB To: Cruffler List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Latest word we got from Keesler (1 Sep 05) is that though the base is pretty messed up there was NO loss of life. The commissary and BX are toast as is most of family housing and most of the rest of the base. The folks that rode out the storm at Keesler just came out and had their first hot meal since it hit...6000 meals on the first go around. They currently have no phone, land-line or cell, and their runway is the only one open in the area...only daylight, VFR flights allowed.. Bout it, though we get a couple of updates per day. And yes, there are mumblings about doing to Keesler what was done to Homestead, but only mumblings, not even rumors. Maj Shooter Virginia (Pentagon) KA6UUP "Mr. Chairman, I travels around the state of Louisiana, and when I does, I always have me a gun in ma car. But, Mista Chairman, when I goes to New Orleans, I have's me two guns." Louisiana Representative Romo Romero ------------------------------ |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message 8... On Mon 05 Sep 2005 11:10:00a, (Al Dykes) wrote in message : In article , Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Maybe he did, I'm still waiting for an authorative time line of what Bush, the Gov, and the mayor did. IT DOESN"T MATTER. As Soon as the Nat Weather Service declared a CAT4 storm on or near NO pre-loaded FEMA trucks all over the country are supposed to start the drive to marshalling points at the edge of teh storm area and then romm forward as soom as the storm passes. 90% of the trusks could be there in 48 hours. Presuming there are clear paths of ingress/egress and logistical support all the way in and out. There are reports of no reliable gasoline sources south of Tuscaloosa Alabama. That's 291 miles north of NOLA. Then they have to make sure they aren't headed to an area where they are not needed. Then they need to make sure the bridges they have to cross are still structurally sound for their heavier trucks (this is reportedly one of the BIGGER problems). Then they have to make sure that the areas they are going to have been declared safe by the local authorities - if they roll in among looting rioters, then they become victims and have to also be rescued. Then they have to ensure there is someplace for them to go and operate out of - they aren't robots and need food, water and rest like you and me. And on, and on, and on... There is quite a bit more than simply "load up and go". To make matters worse, NOLA was flooded. FEMA didn't have submersible vehicles. This is wholly different from other Hurricanes and it was up to the LOCAL AUTHORITIES to evacuate their constituents to safe ground, if not out of the storms path entirely. Also, look at other hurricanes where there was *NO* persistent flooding and tell me how long it took the Federal response to be fully implemented. It would appear to me that the federal response in this case is either on schedule, or *AHEAD* of schedule. See, that Brownie is doing a helluva job. Let's give him a nice long vacation and a big bonus on his paycheck. Damn I wish these ****ing people who were trapped would stop complaining. Bunch of whiners. Oooh, there's no water, oooh there's no food, ooh there's feces all around. While the Bush Administration is to be commended for coming up with a plan for dealing with terrorism and large scale disasters, it must be condemned for its abject failure to implement the NRP. And, specific heads must roll starting with Michael Chertoff and the head of FEMA. The NRP had to be shoved down the throats of the resisting Gov and Mayor. They apparently were playing politics and were fearful of losing command & control (when they had *clearly* abdicated it by their inaction before that point). Chertoff may well wind up being the sacrificial lamb in this scenario, but there is ample indications that you are lynching the wrong guy. If I were Bush, I would welcome a post-disaster investigation, if I didn't demand one myself... -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
"KA6UUP" wrote in message . .. David wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:04:17 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I blame God. Why? He's not in charge here. But Brownie's in charge and he's doing a helluva job! It's like he was God. |
FDR wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I think we should eliminate FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security. They do nothing anyway. Then why are you screaming liberal 'tard boys bitching about why they didn't show up fast enough if they don't do anything anyway? You don't read very well do you. Yeah, we're mad they didn't do anything for 5 +days and in my previous post I said: "They do nothing anyway." That means they haven't done anything for a long time. Sheesh... you stupid *******s are even dumber than we first thought. Why don't you take a deep breath and then recite to me what FEMA did for 5+ days that made a difference. Then recite to me why it took 5+ days. The tell me how we are supposed to somehow feel confident that when the next terrorist attacks happens that we will be taken care of. dxAce Michigan USA See the below post. And yes I know about the typo |
FDR wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Al Dykes mumbled some nonesense: ------------------------- The topic thread names is "Who is to blame?". Real simple, the idiots who choose to live BELOW sea level. The same idiots who lived below sea level protected by a flood wall/levee system designed for a class 3 huricane who stayed put when a CLASS !4! was forecast to come ashore where they lived. You probably blame a woman for getting raped too. You have to love the brainless left, see: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16494464-5001160,00.html for an example of a well thought liberal out response. "With the boat loaded with members of Penn's entourage, including a personal photographer, one bystander taunted the actor: "How are you going to get any people in that thing?"" Terry No comparison. Thy had a choice, the woman didn't. Typical knee jerk lefty response |
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:39:17 GMT, KA6UUP wrote:
Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Well, It isn't just about NO. Here is a report on neesler AFB in Miss. Notice they didn't get out 'til 9/1. Anyone familiar with La, Miss. etc knows the states are heavly forested. Especially the northern parts. I heard a news crew say it took them 19 hours to get to the Miss. coast from Atlanta. They had to cut their way through the downed trees across the interstate with a chainsaw to get through. Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:59:15 -0400 From: Maj Shooter Subject: Keesler AFB To: Cruffler List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Latest word we got from Keesler (1 Sep 05) is that though the base is pretty messed up there was NO loss of life. The commissary and BX are toast as is most of family housing and most of the rest of the base. The folks that rode out the storm at Keesler just came out and had their first hot meal since it hit...6000 meals on the first go around. They currently have no phone, land-line or cell, and their runway is the only one open in the area...only daylight, VFR flights allowed.. Bout it, though we get a couple of updates per day. And yes, there are mumblings about doing to Keesler what was done to Homestead, but only mumblings, not even rumors. Maj Shooter Virginia (Pentagon) KA6UUP "Mr. Chairman, I travels around the state of Louisiana, and when I does, I always have me a gun in ma car. But, Mista Chairman, when I goes to New Orleans, I have's me two guns." Louisiana Representative Romo Romero ------------------------------ You are absolutely right! If you listen to the press, only NO matters. Go figure! I sent my donation to the people of Mississippi. |
That would be a good thing(s) for the truck/auto companies to start
building.Great big swim trucks.Yes,I know,money,money,money. cuhulin |
cuhu...@ wrote:
Someday,there will be underwater Cities under the Seas/Oceans.We will have Bases on the Moon and on Mars.Are they idiots,there are people right now living in the International Space Station? Are the people in the Nederlands and Venis,Italy and Mexico City,Mexico and people who live downstream from big Dams idiots? cuhulin ------------------------ Holland has 2 major cities below sea level. Amsterdam and Roterdam. One big difference is that Holland doesn't have huricanes. Another is the moral and work ethics of the people. Talked today via Email to a Dutch SWLer who lurks in this group and he pointed out that while the Dutch government has it's share of idiots, unlike LA general and New Orleans in specific, thier politicians are pretty clean (cooruption wise) and also rather competent. The Dutch have evacuation plans and FORCE residents to participate. When a breach occurs the Dutch will likely do pretty well. They have lived below the sea for ~400 years and have learned the hard way that you have to think things out, make effective plans and execute them when something bad happens. IF NEw Orleans was 1/10 as orgnaised as teh Dtuch, there would have been no problem. As to lving below a damn, yea that is pretty damn dumb. The Mulholland impoundment failed in Californica and it killed several hundred back in the 1930's or so. US damndsby and by are well built and fairly safe. But last spring, in Californica again, a city had to be evaucuated because heavy rainfall had causeed the empoundment to rise threatening to crest the damn. They got the water edown, wiht no major trouble, but it was scarey for a while. As to cities on the moon,or other hostile planets, I doubt that will happen for a while. With todays technology only the truely dedicated and brave will live in a "space statio" or even fly on the shuttle. OK strike brave because if NASA called me tonight and asked me to take a SW receiver up in the shultte and study ionosphreic RF leakage. Many in this group doubt your wisdom, but tell us, do you live BELOW sea level? With 800K other poeple? In an area with too few roads in and out? Do you have enough water and food on hand to get by the few days needed unti outside help could arrive? As to Venis (did you really mean Venice?), I have been there and yea they are idiots. To live in a poop filled city,the order is there, that is sinking every year, only the really stupid live there. The only thing it has is some wonderfull art. Mexico City risks? Other then being the capital of a hostile nation, run by poeple that make New Orleans look like a honor brain trust. And the corruption makes New Orleans cops look like BoyScouts. My friends who were raised there all speak of how vile and ugly Mexico City is. So for an Anglo to live there, yea would be pretty damn stupid. Terry |
It is every Man,Woman,and Child for themselves.Depend on fed govt? fed
govt has shown us for hundreds of years what a disaster they are! cuhulin |
The Dutch are Masters at reclaiming land from the Sea.They get some
pretty bad weather over there too.I think fed govt should ask some Dutch Engineers to come to America (New Orleans and the Wetlands around there) and study the situation.We could lean a lot from them. cuhulin |
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FDR wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message .. . Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I think we should eliminate FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security. They do nothing anyway. FEMA did important work after a whole bunch of hurricanes in florida. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
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wrote: That would be a good thing(s) for the truck/auto companies to start building.Great big swim trucks.Yes,I know,money,money,money. cuhulin The LA NG *has* these vehicles, they're in Iraq. They stay there when the troops roate back to the US. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
David wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:04:17 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. I blame God. Which one? -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
wrote in message oups.com... cuhu...@ wrote: Someday,there will be underwater Cities under the Seas/Oceans.We will have Bases on the Moon and on Mars.Are they idiots,there are people right now living in the International Space Station? Are the people in the Nederlands and Venis,Italy and Mexico City,Mexico and people who live downstream from big Dams idiots? cuhulin ------------------------ Holland has 2 major cities below sea level. Amsterdam and Roterdam. One big difference is that Holland doesn't have huricanes. Another is the moral and work ethics of the people. Talked today via Email to a Dutch SWLer who lurks in this group and he pointed out that while the Dutch government has it's share of idiots, unlike LA general and New Orleans in specific, thier politicians are pretty clean (cooruption wise) and also rather competent. The Dutch have evacuation plans and FORCE residents to participate. How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head? When a breach occurs the Dutch will likely do pretty well. They have lived below the sea for ~400 years and have learned the hard way that you have to think things out, make effective plans and execute them when something bad happens. IF NEw Orleans was 1/10 as orgnaised as teh Dtuch, there would have been no problem. My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and that the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses. As to lving below a damn, yea that is pretty damn dumb. The Mulholland impoundment failed in Californica and it killed several hundred back in the 1930's or so. US damndsby and by are well built and fairly safe. But last spring, in Californica again, a city had to be evaucuated because heavy rainfall had causeed the empoundment to rise threatening to crest the damn. They got the water edown, wiht no major trouble, but it was scarey for a while. As to cities on the moon,or other hostile planets, I doubt that will happen for a while. With todays technology only the truely dedicated and brave will live in a "space statio" or even fly on the shuttle. OK strike brave because if NASA called me tonight and asked me to take a SW receiver up in the shultte and study ionosphreic RF leakage. Many in this group doubt your wisdom, but tell us, do you live BELOW sea level? With 800K other poeple? In an area with too few roads in and out? Do you have enough water and food on hand to get by the few days needed unti outside help could arrive? As to Venis (did you really mean Venice?), I have been there and yea they are idiots. To live in a poop filled city,the order is there, that is sinking every year, only the really stupid live there. The only thing it has is some wonderfull art. Mexico City risks? Other then being the capital of a hostile nation, run by poeple that make New Orleans look like a honor brain trust. And the corruption makes New Orleans cops look like BoyScouts. My friends who were raised there all speak of how vile and ugly Mexico City is. So for an Anglo to live there, yea would be pretty damn stupid. Terry |
When you think about the "tragedy" we all came through when we was
born,it is a wonder we survived at all.You can't drive that big old 1958 Buick through that little Canal,it's too d..n big! Get out the chainsaw then. cuhulin |
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wrote: The Dutch are Masters at reclaiming land from the Sea.They get some pretty bad weather over there too.I think fed govt should ask some Dutch Engineers to come to America (New Orleans and the Wetlands around there) and study the situation.We could lean a lot from them. cuhulin The Dutch volunteered for exactly that reason. The last I heard the offer was declined, but that was several days ago. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. |
If another "Katrina" happens in another large American City,it will be
the same thing all over again. cuhulin |
"KA6UUP" wrote in message .. . FDR wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Al Dykes mumbled some nonesense: ------------------------- The topic thread names is "Who is to blame?". Real simple, the idiots who choose to live BELOW sea level. The same idiots who lived below sea level protected by a flood wall/levee system designed for a class 3 huricane who stayed put when a CLASS !4! was forecast to come ashore where they lived. You probably blame a woman for getting raped too. You have to love the brainless left, see: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16494464-5001160,00.html for an example of a well thought liberal out response. "With the boat loaded with members of Penn's entourage, including a personal photographer, one bystander taunted the actor: "How are you going to get any people in that thing?"" Terry No comparison. Thy had a choice, the woman didn't. Typical knee jerk lefty response They are still victims. If a woman gets raped there is a mentality that she asked for it because she dressed too sexually, or was in the park jogging at night, or she flirted with a guy and he took it as a go signal. Would you say that a woman had the choice of wearing something less sexual and therefore it's her choice to get raped? Or that she shouldn't flirt because she then made a choice to get raped? If I walk outside and get mugged, is it my fault? I made a choice to leave my apartment so it's my fault. I made a choice to live in a not so nice area so it's my fault. |
"Beerbarrel" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:39:17 GMT, KA6UUP wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Well, It isn't just about NO. Here is a report on neesler AFB in Miss. Notice they didn't get out 'til 9/1. Anyone familiar with La, Miss. etc knows the states are heavly forested. Especially the northern parts. I heard a news crew say it took them 19 hours to get to the Miss. coast from Atlanta. They had to cut their way through the downed trees across the interstate with a chainsaw to get through. Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:59:15 -0400 From: Maj Shooter Subject: Keesler AFB To: Cruffler List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Latest word we got from Keesler (1 Sep 05) is that though the base is pretty messed up there was NO loss of life. The commissary and BX are toast as is most of family housing and most of the rest of the base. The folks that rode out the storm at Keesler just came out and had their first hot meal since it hit...6000 meals on the first go around. They currently have no phone, land-line or cell, and their runway is the only one open in the area...only daylight, VFR flights allowed.. Bout it, though we get a couple of updates per day. And yes, there are mumblings about doing to Keesler what was done to Homestead, but only mumblings, not even rumors. Maj Shooter Virginia (Pentagon) KA6UUP "Mr. Chairman, I travels around the state of Louisiana, and when I does, I always have me a gun in ma car. But, Mista Chairman, when I goes to New Orleans, I have's me two guns." Louisiana Representative Romo Romero ------------------------------ You are absolutely right! If you listen to the press, only NO matters. Go figure! I sent my donation to the people of Mississippi. Mine went to all hurricane victims |
Thing is though,Lousiana is losing many thousands of acres of land
(wetlands in South Louisiana,do some research on that,and the Mississippi Gulf Coast is man made) every year due to natural erosion.No telling how much of that land Katrina wiped out. cuhulin |
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:45:24 GMT, "FDR"
wrote: "Beerbarrel" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:39:17 GMT, KA6UUP wrote: Beerbarrel wrote: Ray Nagin needs to look in the miror to see the source of his problems. All that he does is talk to reporters, make excuses, and blame everybody else. Well, It isn't just about NO. Here is a report on neesler AFB in Miss. Notice they didn't get out 'til 9/1. Anyone familiar with La, Miss. etc knows the states are heavly forested. Especially the northern parts. I heard a news crew say it took them 19 hours to get to the Miss. coast from Atlanta. They had to cut their way through the downed trees across the interstate with a chainsaw to get through. Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:59:15 -0400 From: Maj Shooter Subject: Keesler AFB To: Cruffler List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Latest word we got from Keesler (1 Sep 05) is that though the base is pretty messed up there was NO loss of life. The commissary and BX are toast as is most of family housing and most of the rest of the base. The folks that rode out the storm at Keesler just came out and had their first hot meal since it hit...6000 meals on the first go around. They currently have no phone, land-line or cell, and their runway is the only one open in the area...only daylight, VFR flights allowed.. Bout it, though we get a couple of updates per day. And yes, there are mumblings about doing to Keesler what was done to Homestead, but only mumblings, not even rumors. Maj Shooter Virginia (Pentagon) KA6UUP "Mr. Chairman, I travels around the state of Louisiana, and when I does, I always have me a gun in ma car. But, Mista Chairman, when I goes to New Orleans, I have's me two guns." Louisiana Representative Romo Romero ------------------------------ You are absolutely right! If you listen to the press, only NO matters. Go figure! I sent my donation to the people of Mississippi. Mine went to all hurricane victims That's great....I'm glad to see you give. I wish everyone would. |
Yep,I mispelled Venice.I remember seeing a Movietone news reel in the
Paramount theater that used to be on Capitol Street here in Jackson.It was back in the 1950's when I sat there and I watched that Movietone news reel with my little hazel blue/green eyeballs (our eyeballs are the same size eyeballs we were born with) and the Movietone news reel was about the Nederlands (Is your Dutch buddy lurking now?) Queen Wilhemina -- (spelling) Now,that auld broad really was "crackers".She would make klintoon (if she were alive today) look like a Saint by comparison. cuhulin |
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