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dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! JB |
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John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork. dxAce Michigan USA |
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John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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dxAce wrote: John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork. dxAce Michigan USA You seem to have some comprehension problems doubtless as a consequence of your brains getting rattled around in the accident. You have problems differentiating an explanation from whining and this goes a long way to explaining most of your posts. JB |
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clifto wrote: John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. Here goes: In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." But on 24 Feb 2001, Powell made the following statement while in Cairo, Egypt: "We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..." On 15 May 2001, Powell testified before the Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee. Senator Bennett: Mr. Secretary, the U.N. sanctions on Iraq expire the beginning of June. We've had bombs dropped, we've had threats made, we've had all kinds of activity vis-a-vis Iraq in the previous administration. Now we're coming to the end. What's our level of concern about the progress of Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs? Secretary Powell: The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction -- chemical, biological and nuclear -- I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago. Condoleeza Rice gets in on the act (29 July 2001, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer) and her statement seems to support Powell's position: "But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Check out the following links: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/ http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...aq.wmd.report/ I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003. JB |
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From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg |
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From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? On Thursday, President Bush claimed that: "Nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and other security personnel are working today." *- President Bush, Press Conference, Sept. 23, 2004 However, the Pentagon said last Monday that of these ³nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers² only about 53,000 Iraqi troops have undergone training. In addition, Reuters reports that of the nearly 90,000 Iraqis currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration's new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met. Greg |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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