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John Barnard wrote:
The Chimp-in-Chief also thinks that being a dictator would make his job easier.

Funny, it was Clinton and his enforcer Janet Reno who were the only ones
in America using armed troops to stifle dissent. No, wait; these people
weren't even dissenting, they just held other viewpoints and wanted to
be left alone to live in peace. It wasn't Bush who sent troops to kill
them.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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clifto wrote:

Powell is a flaming, Bush-bashing, card-carrying liberal. Everything
he has said since the start of the Iraq war confirms it.

Huh??? Bush chose the "Bush-bashing, card-carrying liberal" Powell to
hold a very high position in his administration for four years and
additionally made his son Chairman of the FCC. THAT Bush-bashing
Powell?? Yeah, right. Get real!

Everything he [Powell] has said since the start of the Iraq war confirms it.

Are we talking about the same Powell here? The one whose impassioned
speech in front of the UN helped *start* the Iraq war???

Do you even remotely consider the possibility that Powell "saw the error
of his ways" and was man enough to want to set the record straight?

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Carter-K8VT wrote:
clifto wrote:
Everything he [Powell] has said since the start of the Iraq war confirms it.

Do you even remotely consider the possibility that Powell "saw the error
of his ways" and was man enough to want to set the record straight?

Doesn't fit his actions as well as my explanation.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

Uh huh.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

Probably 88% of the people most pollsters try to get political answers
from are liberals, the other 12% are surprises to the pollsters. For
example, you'll find countless political polls in downtown Chicago,
but you'll seldom if ever find one in the suburbs, not even the more
liberal ones like Oak Park and Evanston.

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)

And here again, the ad hominem is the mark of the man without a valid
argument.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

If McCain gets the Repub nomination, and we know certainly that whoever
gets the Dem nomination will be somewhere miles left of Karl Marx, then
we might as well all vote for some true leftist instead of the phonies
we'll have been offered.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Greg wrote:
From: clifto
John Barnard wrote:
It's a bad sign when Buchanan and GF Will start to criticize a Republican
administration.

Not really. Just a strong indicator of the fact that the conservative
movement is alive and stronger than ever.

Too bad, but it's too late for the Bunnypants administration to join the
conservative movement.

He's a lot closer to a conservative than someone like McCain.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

You would like China - political dissent is not tolerated.

Dissent is one thing. Lies are entirely another.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Greg wrote:
From: clifto
We don't. Putting underwear on someone's head does not constitute torture.

Is that what they're doing in those secret CIA prison camps in Eastern
Europe? I wonder why they're doing that? And how do you explain the
prisoners that died from "underpants on their head"? Most unusual! I wish I
had your insight.

Putting underwear on prisoners' heads was listed as one of the tortures
inflicted on the Iraqis during the earliest accusations.

Look at the "tortures" poor Pfc. England is going to spend years in prison
for inflicting; putting leashes on people, pointing at them while they're
naked.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Greg wrote:
Torture is what Bush want to legalize.

I want you to remember forever that you said that in public where everyone
could see.

Bush repeats threat to veto torture curb
[snip]
*The 90-to-9 vote to ban "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or
punishment" of anyone in U.S. government custody

"OR DEGRADING TREATMENT"??? What, like having to eat ordinary dinners
or spend their time in unfurnished, small cells? Only the Senate would
give a 90-9 vote for something like that.

The wording also specifically prohibits punishment of any prisoner for
any reason. Only true scum would allow such weasel wording to become
law.


The system was apparently so secret that even members of Congress in charge
of overseeing the CIA's covert actions didn't know about it. And they are
unhappy.

Right. They're too important to be left out of military matters; after
all, they are the executive branch of government, too. Furrfu.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Brenda Ann wrote:
"clifto" wrote...
Funny, it was Clinton and his enforcer Janet Reno who were the only ones
in America using armed troops to stifle dissent. No, wait; these people
weren't even dissenting, they just held other viewpoints and wanted to
be left alone to live in peace. It wasn't Bush who sent troops to kill
them.

True enough. Ruby Ridge and Waco were definitely criminal doings that
happened on Clinton's watch.

However, for good or bad, it WAS Dubya that said "If this were a
dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the
dictator."

First, it was meant as humor. Second, tell yourself you've never ever said
the same thing to yourself.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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clifto wrote:
Carter-K8VT wrote:

clifto wrote:

Everything he [Powell] has said since the start of the Iraq war confirms it.

Do you even remotely consider the possibility that Powell "saw the error
of his ways" and was man enough to want to set the record straight?

Doesn't fit his actions as well as my explanation.

Well, if you say so...but I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I
just have too much trouble accepting your explanation that dubya would
give the highest (or one of the highest) appointed posts in the land to
"a flaming, Bush-bashing, card-carrying liberal" for four years. Now,
you *could* make the case that after a few years, Powell changed his
tune, going from a Bush loyalist (loyal enough to get the job) to being
a "Bush-basher".

You can say many things about Powell, but not that he is dumb. So, even
if the (unlikely) scenario I described above of Powell changing his
spots is true, then you *have* to ask WHY he changed from a loyalist to
a basher. Did he just finally get sick of the lies and corruption???

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From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:53 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

Uh huh.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

Probably 88% of the people most pollsters try to get political answers
from are liberals, the other 12% are surprises to the pollsters. For
example, you'll find countless political polls in downtown Chicago,
but you'll seldom if ever find one in the suburbs, not even the more
liberal ones like Oak Park and Evanston.

So the polls are wrong, people really like Cheney?

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)

And here again, the ad hominem is the mark of the man without a valid
argument.

Which man, Me or Zinni? My point is that the administration hyped the
invadion of Iraq and now people are disillusioned with the results (or lack
thereof). "People" includes the public, the Congress, and members of the
military. I can't speak for Zinni, but he speaks quite well for himself.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

If McCain gets the Repub nomination, and we know certainly that whoever
gets the Dem nomination will be somewhere miles left of Karl Marx, then
we might as well all vote for some true leftist instead of the phonies
we'll have been offered.

Doesn't warrant a serious answer.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
Greg