From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:20:47 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:07:58 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg
wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just
for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former
CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in
Iraq.
Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in
which
he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I
will.
.
. .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of
planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he
says.
"The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering
our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the
fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush
Administration
(he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President
Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has
weapons
of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is
amassing
them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central
Command,
Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too
familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to
acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I
watched
the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the
intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once
Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the
Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And,
second,
"These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Greg



Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it?


Are you drunk?

Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA




I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do
they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves.
Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same
mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet.
Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side
on the way down?


Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you
got?

He's far brighter than you, dimbulb.

Cuhulin is brighter than you.

Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any
Canucks?


Hurts to have that phobia, doesn't it? I guess calling people names on the
newsgroups make you feel better.

Beats being a 'tard boy liberal any day!

Run along and work on those listening skills, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response."

Greg

From: (John S. Dyson)
Organization: IQuest Internet, LLC
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:10:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: the church of bush

...and now the lefties are much
more doctorinaire and narrow minded than all but the most far right nazi
wakko...

John

John

Would that be you John john?

Greg

From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:20:47 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:07:58 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg
wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just
for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former
CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in
Iraq.
Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in
which
he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I
will.
.
. .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of
planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he
says.
"The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering
our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the
fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush
Administration
(he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President
Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has
weapons
of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is
amassing
them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central
Command,
Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too
familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to
acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I
watched
the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the
intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once
Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the
Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And,
second,
"These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Greg



Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it?


Are you drunk?

Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA




I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do
they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves.
Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same
mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet.
Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side
on the way down?


Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you
got?

He's far brighter than you, dimbulb.

Cuhulin is brighter than you.

Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any
Canucks?


Hurts to have that phobia, doesn't it? I guess calling people names on the
newsgroups make you feel better.

Beats being a 'tard boy liberal any day!

Run along and work on those listening skills, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Boy?

Greg

Haw Haw Haw!,,, too funny.
cuhulin

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain.

Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Greg wrote:
'm really not fixated on WMD's. But Clifto asked for examples of lies from
Bush & company and that's one of the most obvious, and arguably, most
significant. Not that "Saddam has WMD's", honest men still debate what his
WMD capability was. It's the: "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now
has weapons of mass destruction. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." (Cheney)

"it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were
unaccounted-for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." (Clinton)

"predators of the twenty-first century... will be all the more lethal if we
allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and
missiles to deliver them... There is no more clear example of this threat
than Saddam Hussein's Iraq." (Clinton)

"Look, we have exhausted virtually all our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis
to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that,
what other option is there but to force them to do so?" (Daschle)

There was doubt, of course, in the intelligence community.

There was no doubt in the CIA. But that's because the CIA wasn't allowed
to do intelligence work for years, due to Clinton presidential directives.
And the head of the CIA was a Clinton hangover.

That's the part
that Bush & company

and Clinton and company

didn't share with Congress, or the public.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

John Barnard wrote:
It's a bad sign when Buchanan and GF Will start to criticize a Republican
administration.

Not really. Just a strong indicator of the fact that the conservative
movement is alive and stronger than ever.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Greg wrote:
He declared, "We do not torture."

We don't. Putting underwear on someone's head does not constitute torture.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Greg wrote:
You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal.

You're one to talk, making a statement like

Torture is what Bush want to legalize.

I want you to remember forever that you said that in public where everyone
could see.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:19:49 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain.

Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)
--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

Greg