Warren wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote:

it IS murder...

Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity'
by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05

SNIP

Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States
invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the
U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans
did,
according to CBS polls.

About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including
200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area.

Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more
people to think about peacemaking.

"The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the
wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of
the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes."

Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes!

Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet
again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

Warren wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote:

it IS murder...

Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity'
by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05

SNIP

Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States
invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the
U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans
did,
according to CBS polls.

About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including
200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area.

Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more
people to think about peacemaking.

"The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the
wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of
the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes."

Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes!

Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet
again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with
mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow!

JB

The biggest Mistake in the World is Canada.
cuhulin

John Barnard wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Warren wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote:

it IS murder...

Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity'
by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05

SNIP

Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States
invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the
U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans
did,
according to CBS polls.

About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including
200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area.

Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more
people to think about peacemaking.

"The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the
wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of
the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes."

Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes!

Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet
again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with
mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow!

Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

John Barnard wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Warren wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote:

it IS murder...

Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity'
by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05

SNIP

Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States
invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the
U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans
did,
according to CBS polls.

About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including
200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area.

Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more
people to think about peacemaking.

"The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the
wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of
the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes."

Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes!

Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet
again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with
mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow!

Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

You seem to have some comprehension problems doubtless as a consequence of your brains
getting rattled around in the accident. You have problems differentiating an
explanation from whining and this goes a long way to explaining most of your posts.

JB

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

clifto wrote:

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Here goes:

In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that
Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by
this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to
possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said
earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction.
That is what this war was about and it is about."

In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to
keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."

But on 24 Feb 2001, Powell made the following statement while in Cairo,
Egypt:

"We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and
I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that
the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but
for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward
developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing
our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that
they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as
important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they
have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to
weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power
against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the
security of the neighbors of Iraq..."

On 15 May 2001, Powell testified before the Foreign Operations, Export
Financing and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations
Committee.

Senator Bennett: Mr. Secretary, the U.N. sanctions on Iraq expire the
beginning of June. We've had bombs dropped, we've had threats made, we've
had all kinds of activity vis-a-vis Iraq in the previous administration. Now
we're coming to the end. What's our level of concern about the progress of
Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs?

Secretary Powell: The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the
last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from
actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily
remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago.
It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the
Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction --
chemical, biological and nuclear -- I think the best intelligence estimates
suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question
that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under
their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been
able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to
actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10
years ago.

Condoleeza Rice gets in on the act (29 July 2001, CNN Late Edition with Wolf
Blitzer) and her statement seems to support Powell's position:

"But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country
is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country.
We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been
rebuilt."

Check out the following links:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...aq.wmd.report/

I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice
statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003.

JB

John Barnard wrote:
clifto wrote:
Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

Here goes:

In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that
Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by
this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to
possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said
earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction.
That is what this war was about and it is about."

In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to
keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."

On July 21, 2003, Bill Clinton said on the Larry King Show, "People
can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan
or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that
on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of
biological and chemical weapons."

Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know,
everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't
make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in
a while."

I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice
statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003.

Even if I were to take your Powell quotes, and disregard that he's a
flaming Bush-bashing liberal, your Powell quotes are a good sample in
that they show how often Powell contradicts himself. In any event, I
trump your flaming liberal Powell with a flaming liberal Clinton.


And even if all your quotes and materials were 100% true and factual,
we still don't have a lie, only bad intelligence relayed to the public.

So keep on chanting about how Bush lied. Just don't do it around
thinking people or people who are affected by reality or facts.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

clifto wrote:

Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know,
everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't
make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in
a while."

Yeah, I guess 2000+ American kids dead, 19,000 American kids mutilated
and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians is just a little "once
in a while mess up". Shame on us for being so critical of Bunnypants' lies.

Carter-K8VT wrote:

clifto wrote:

Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know,
everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't
make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in
a while."

Yeah, I guess 2000+ American kids dead, 19,000 American kids mutilated
and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians is just a little "once
in a while mess up". Shame on us for being so critical of Bunnypants' lies.

LMAO at the 'tard who accused me of insurance fraud.

dxAce
Michigan
USA