From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:35:56 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Beerbarrel wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq.
Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which
he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . .
.
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing
them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command,
Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second,
"These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Greg

Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it?

Because the Liberal 'tards are fixated on WMD's. I know a fellow here who
manages to
bring up WMD's in every other sentence. It reminds me of a one time friend
with whom
it became impossible to carry on a conversation with because every other
sentence
that came out of his mouth had to do with Y2K and the gloom and doom that was
to
follow.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

That's the longest post I've ever seen from you Drakeman! I

'm really not fixated on WMD's. But Clifto asked for examples of lies from
Bush & company and that's one of the most obvious, and arguably, most
significant. Not that "Saddam has WMD's", honest men still debate what his
WMD capability was. It's the: "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now
has weapons of mass destruction. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." (Cheney)


There was doubt, of course, in the intelligence community. That's the part
that Bush & company didn't share with Congress, or the public.

Greg

Greg wrote:
'm really not fixated on WMD's. But Clifto asked for examples of lies from
Bush & company and that's one of the most obvious, and arguably, most
significant. Not that "Saddam has WMD's", honest men still debate what his
WMD capability was. It's the: "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now
has weapons of mass destruction. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." (Cheney)

"it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were
unaccounted-for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." (Clinton)

"predators of the twenty-first century... will be all the more lethal if we
allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and
missiles to deliver them... There is no more clear example of this threat
than Saddam Hussein's Iraq." (Clinton)

"Look, we have exhausted virtually all our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis
to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that,
what other option is there but to force them to do so?" (Daschle)

There was doubt, of course, in the intelligence community.

There was no doubt in the CIA. But that's because the CIA wasn't allowed
to do intelligence work for years, due to Clinton presidential directives.
And the head of the CIA was a Clinton hangover.

That's the part
that Bush & company

and Clinton and company

didn't share with Congress, or the public.

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my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.