From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:19:49 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain.

Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)
--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

Greg

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

Uh huh.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

Probably 88% of the people most pollsters try to get political answers
from are liberals, the other 12% are surprises to the pollsters. For
example, you'll find countless political polls in downtown Chicago,
but you'll seldom if ever find one in the suburbs, not even the more
liberal ones like Oak Park and Evanston.

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)

And here again, the ad hominem is the mark of the man without a valid
argument.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

If McCain gets the Repub nomination, and we know certainly that whoever
gets the Dem nomination will be somewhere miles left of Karl Marx, then
we might as well all vote for some true leftist instead of the phonies
we'll have been offered.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:53 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually
every person who's held office in the USA since 1996.

well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not
publically.

Uh huh.

It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

Probably 88% of the people most pollsters try to get political answers
from are liberals, the other 12% are surprises to the pollsters. For
example, you'll find countless political polls in downtown Chicago,
but you'll seldom if ever find one in the suburbs, not even the more
liberal ones like Oak Park and Evanston.

So the polls are wrong, people really like Cheney?

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)

And here again, the ad hominem is the mark of the man without a valid
argument.

Which man, Me or Zinni? My point is that the administration hyped the
invadion of Iraq and now people are disillusioned with the results (or lack
thereof). "People" includes the public, the Congress, and members of the
military. I can't speak for Zinni, but he speaks quite well for himself.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

If McCain gets the Repub nomination, and we know certainly that whoever
gets the Dem nomination will be somewhere miles left of Karl Marx, then
we might as well all vote for some true leftist instead of the phonies
we'll have been offered.

Doesn't warrant a serious answer.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
Greg

Greg wrote:
From: clifto
Greg wrote:
From: clifto
It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2)
he claims to know more about running things than everyone else.

Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying
to think that 88% of Americans are liberals!

Probably 88% of the people most pollsters try to get political answers
from are liberals, the other 12% are surprises to the pollsters. For
example, you'll find countless political polls in downtown Chicago,
but you'll seldom if ever find one in the suburbs, not even the more
liberal ones like Oak Park and Evanston.

So the polls are wrong, people really like Cheney?

More than you'd like to believe, certainly.

If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush.

It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the
Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war.
And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at
what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't
you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.)

And here again, the ad hominem is the mark of the man without a valid
argument.

Which man, Me or Zinni?

Whichever one said "I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy." Look up
"ad hominem".

My point is that the administration hyped the
invadion of Iraq and now people are disillusioned with the results (or lack
thereof). "People" includes the public, the Congress, and members of the
military. I can't speak for Zinni, but he speaks quite well for himself.

"People" includes liberals only. They and you and the liberal press are
trying to inflate their numbers and relevance to make it seem as though
there's a good reason to abandon the cause now.

If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny.

If McCain gets the Repub nomination, and we know certainly that whoever
gets the Dem nomination will be somewhere miles left of Karl Marx, then
we might as well all vote for some true leftist instead of the phonies
we'll have been offered.

Doesn't warrant a serious answer.

It wasn't said seeking an answer. You remarked on it, I explained it to you.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.