Steve wrote:
This kind of defensiveness speaks volumes. It's easy to tell when
someone has sunk a large amount of money into a receiver and then
regrets it. They have to make others pay for (what they perceive to be)
their mistake.

Actually for my first decent tabletop receiver I paid $400.00 new for
a Kenwood R5000, added the filters, memory option and a few other
goodies. After that I picked up a fully functional National HRO 500
for $25.00 plus commission at an auction.

But the radio that really got me started in SWLin'g was the
high-performing Sony 2010 Portable (before the R5000) that sold for way
under your magical number of $500.00 And yes it will outperform many
tabletops.

I'm at a complete loss as to what what you are talking about..., bud.
There are guys that will sink a lot of money into old communuications
receivers (R390) and some of the new comm stuff that comes on the used
market. But they really are basically just ego boosters for guys like
you aren't they.

Damn, I guess I really hit a nerve.

Congrats on the 2010. It was a pretty good deal in terms of price and
performance. At least you've owned one portable that you don't have to
feel defensive about.

As for the rest of your verbiage, I don't know what to tell you. If you
can't conduct a serious (or at any rate, halfway serious) conversation
about receivers, you came to the wrong place. I feel a little sorry for
you, since you're obviously out a lot of dough. At the same time, your
being all nasty and defensive ain't gonna hurt me, and it ain't gonna
make you any smarter. Just try to do a little research next time,
preferably BEFORE you make your purchase.

Hope this helps.

Steve wrote:

Congrats on the 2010. It was a pretty good deal in terms of price and
performance. At least you've owned one portable that you don't have to
feel defensive about.


Hmm, I bought a '2010 new in 1988 for $325 at Ham Radio Outlet, Atlanta
(Larry Galecki made the sale). Good radio, although it's no longer in
proper working order now. I did get my money's worth out of it,
though.

Of course, the dollar was worth more when I bought that radio. In 2006
dollars, we'd be talkin' about $530.75 for that purchase in 1988.

http://minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/

((Needless to say, I understand your argument, Steve: you're weighing
the cost of the E1 relative to other radios on the market today when
making the assessment that it's not a good value for you. Still, I
throw this out there because it's worthwhile to note that our dollar
has declined in value over time.))

Good point, Junius.

junius wrote:
Steve wrote:

Congrats on the 2010. It was a pretty good deal in terms of price and
performance. At least you've owned one portable that you don't have to
feel defensive about.


Hmm, I bought a '2010 new in 1988 for $325 at Ham Radio Outlet, Atlanta
(Larry Galecki made the sale). Good radio, although it's no longer in
proper working order now. I did get my money's worth out of it,
though.

Of course, the dollar was worth more when I bought that radio. In 2006
dollars, we'd be talkin' about $530.75 for that purchase in 1988.

http://minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/

((Needless to say, I understand your argument, Steve: you're weighing
the cost of the E1 relative to other radios on the market today when
making the assessment that it's not a good value for you. Still, I
throw this out there because it's worthwhile to note that our dollar
has declined in value over time.))

Steve's the kind of guy that has poured a lot of money into some junk
receivers. And to justify those purchases he feels the need to tear
down the purchases of someone else. I guess he can't stand the
thought that a portable could run circles around many tabletops.

So you think an R8B and a 7030+ are junk? You're really going to have
to overwhelm me with your "expertise" before I believe that.

Why are you so upset about all of this, anyway? You don't even know me,
and some casual remark I made on a newsgroup has reduced you to a
raving imbecile. Life is too short! Go have a beer or something. Laugh
at a joke and get things in perspective.

It's all gonna be okay. I promise.

Laugh at a joke? y'all might as well google it, Jiggs and Maggie comic
strips

Me all time favorites.

Hey,can y'all say MoBro? More about that later on.
cuhulin

"Steve" wrote in
ps.com:

So you think an R8B and a 7030+ are junk? You're really going to have
to overwhelm me with your "expertise" before I believe that.

Why are you so upset about all of this, anyway? You don't even know me,
and some casual remark I made on a newsgroup has reduced you to a
raving imbecile. Life is too short! Go have a beer or something. Laugh
at a joke and get things in perspective.

It's all gonna be okay. I promise.



Don't ever, ever, insult John's radios, them's fight'en words.

SC

junius wrote:

Hmm, I bought a '2010 new in 1988 for $325 at Ham Radio Outlet, Atlanta
(Larry Galecki made the sale). Good radio, although it's no longer in
proper working order now. I did get my money's worth out of it,
though.

Of course, the dollar was worth more when I bought that radio. In 2006
dollars, we'd be talkin' about $530.75 for that purchase in 1988.

$325 seems high for a new 2010 in 1988. Are you sure it wasn't $225?
They were originally priced at around $230 when they came out in 1984. I
bought a new one from 'Grove' for about $275 in 1991. I had seen them on
the gray market at that time for about $225 but I didn't want to take a
chance on the warranty. After Sony succeeded in eliminating the gray
market for the 2010 they raised the price to well over $300. They must
have been making a good profit in the latter years of the 2010 since
their design and tooling costs had long since been recovered.

HFguy wrote:
$325 seems high for a new 2010 in 1988. Are you sure it wasn't $225?
They were originally priced at around $230 when they came out in 1984. I
bought a new one from 'Grove' for about $275 in 1991.

No, that was a good price. I had a friend who was a grey market importer
who brought some in when they were first made before they were imported
by Sony. I got one of those, his cost was over $350.

The "legal" ones sold for almost $400 for a long time.

Geoff.
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