On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:09:18 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On 18 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies,
evenly spaced across the country would cover the entire
lower 48 day and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF
.
That's absurd. A satellite covers the whole country and uses way less
energy.


Yes, and a satellite also requires a directional antenna and special
receiver (and a subscription). Putting LW into standard radios would cost
almost nothing, and add little to the cost of a portable radio.


There are a wide variety of satellites and not all require a
subscription.

On Fri, 19 May 2006 01:00:42 GMT, Telamon
wrote:



How much energy did it take to put the satellite into orbit?
How much power is used in the uplink effort?

That's like saying how much energy was required to build a power
plant.

Most TWTAs run a few hundred Watts.

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio. they
certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. I don't
personally know ANYBODY outside of broadcasting that want's to put up with
IBOC, and I know several BE's (and I am one of them) that consider it
nothing but a QRM generator, and a major PITA to work with. Not to mention
that anyone outside a few mile radius from the transmitter can't hear the
digital signal to start with. This is proven by anecdotal evidence of
numerous people who have purchased the $300 BA (down from $500) and
attempted to use it in their local signal areas.

Tell me something, Eduardo.. are people going to put up big outside
antennas, or random wire AM antennas, just to hear a crappy digital signal
full of artifacts? I don't think so. The majority of listeners now are using
boom box radios and don't bother to even put the antenna up on them most of
the time. I'm pretty sure they're not going to spend big $$$ on a piece of
**** radio, then have to put up antennas to use it. Ain't gonna happen. I
suppose you think that you're going to hear the sound of half a billion (or
more) analog radios hitting the trash can? I think it much more likely that
will be a few hundred IBOC transmitters hitting the landfill.

"Brenda Ann" wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. [...]

Brenda Ann,

You've shown yourself to be one of the true voices of sanity on this
newsgroup, and I do respect your viewpoints on various issues.

However, I speak from personal experience when I say that arguing with
Eduardo (and his cheerleading section) is about as effective as
teaching a horse to sing.

We, the radio listening public, are just going to have to wait for the
decline of radio brought on by the likes of Eduardo to get serious
enough that the bean-counters actually notice the downward trend. I
haven't listened to commercial radio in years -- not without trying,
mind you, but it is just boring and bland beyond hope.

Arbitron will never figure it out, too. After the brilliance of
Arbitron was pointed out to me (again and again and again), I finally
got asked to participate in one of their surveys. Well, actually, my
computer was asked. They just picked random phone number digits and
came up with my computer modem line, and weren't actually interested
in talking to the owner of that modem when I contacted them about
participating in the survey. Well, our local water system's data
line was also asked to participate, too.

I hate to admit it, but radio as we've known it is finally dying. The
bean counters won, radio lost.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it’s possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it’s unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006

On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:38:40 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. I don't
personally know ANYBODY outside of broadcasting that want's to put up with
IBOC, and I know several BE's (and I am one of them) that consider it
nothing but a QRM generator, and a major PITA to work with. Not to mention
that anyone outside a few mile radius from the transmitter can't hear the
digital signal to start with. This is proven by anecdotal evidence of
numerous people who have purchased the $300 BA (down from $500) and
attempted to use it in their local signal areas.




That's simply not true. I get several stations from Mt. Wilson in
pristine digital that are unlistenable in FM Stereo.

What planet are you referring to? Here on Earth, shortwave seems to be alive
and well, to me...





"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band
should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot
of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. [...]

Brenda Ann,

You've shown yourself to be one of the true voices of sanity on this
newsgroup, and I do respect your viewpoints on various issues.

However, I speak from personal experience when I say that arguing with
Eduardo (and his cheerleading section) is about as effective as
teaching a horse to sing.

We, the radio listening public, are just going to have to wait for the
decline of radio brought on by the likes of Eduardo to get serious
enough that the bean-counters actually notice the downward trend. I
haven't listened to commercial radio in years -- not without trying,
mind you, but it is just boring and bland beyond hope.

Arbitron will never figure it out, too. After the brilliance of
Arbitron was pointed out to me (again and again and again), I finally
got asked to participate in one of their surveys. Well, actually, my
computer was asked. They just picked random phone number digits and
came up with my computer modem line, and weren't actually interested
in talking to the owner of that modem when I contacted them about
participating in the survey. Well, our local water system's data
line was also asked to participate, too.

I hate to admit it, but radio as we've known it is finally dying. The
bean counters won, radio lost.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it's possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it's unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:38:40 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
y.com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot
of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. I don't
personally know ANYBODY outside of broadcasting that want's to put up with
IBOC, and I know several BE's (and I am one of them) that consider it
nothing but a QRM generator, and a major PITA to work with. Not to mention
that anyone outside a few mile radius from the transmitter can't hear the
digital signal to start with. This is proven by anecdotal evidence of
numerous people who have purchased the $300 BA (down from $500) and
attempted to use it in their local signal areas.




That's simply not true. I get several stations from Mt. Wilson in
pristine digital that are unlistenable in FM Stereo.


Good for you. That makes one person out of hundreds that I know.

David wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2006 23:13:39 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:






That's simply not true. I get several stations from Mt. Wilson in
pristine digital that are unlistenable in FM Stereo.


Good for you. That makes one person out of hundreds that I know.


I'm sure it's very common in urban and natural canyons. Many places
with severe multipath issues will benefit from the HD.

Sure, the demise of DXing is sad, but we don't have hitching posts on
Main Street nowadays either. Time marches on.

Rickets, you wouldn't know DXing if it crawled its way past your haemorrhoids
and decided to spend the winter up your ass.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
David wrote:
That's simply not true. I get several stations from Mt. Wilson in
pristine digital that are unlistenable in FM Stereo.

VHF or Medium Wave?

IBOC on .54-1.705 MHz just doesn't make sense, technically.

Mark Zenier
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