dxAce wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:


dxAce
Michigan
USA

you know given the way you hide your name completely you don't have aby
room to go picking at others peoples names

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RHF wrote:

DX Ace,

From about 1975 to 1997 'knowing' the Federal
Guidelines was a Co-Lateral-Duty for me.

OBTW - Yes - I know the word is spelled "Colleral".

Here is the guideline:

A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or
other
Spanish culture of origin, regardless of race.

Nope. The American /USA/Federal Government definition of a term that was
basically invented in the USA is based on Spanish langauge and culture or a
heritige that has descended from siad language and culture. It has nothing
to do with blood. And if it did, since I am part Iberina Celt, I pass that
test too.

In fact, your wrong definition fails to recognizee the 15 million or so
Hispanics born in the USA.

It is NOT his culture of origin. It may be his adopted culture, but
certainly not
his culture of origin.

The definition used officially in the US does not have anything about
"origin" in it.

DX Ace,

You are referring to : Statistical Policy Directive No. 15,
Race and Ethnic Standards for Federal Statistics and
Administrative Reporting.

- - - Hispanic or Latino. A person of Cuban, Mexican,
Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or
other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
The term, "Spanish origin," can be used in addition
to "Hispanic or Latino."

HISPANIC - It All Comes Down To - Who You Are [.]
Hispanic -expanded to- Latino and Chicano Hispano
Peoples of the Culture and Heritage resulting from
the Spanish Diaspora in the Americas.

Who Is Hispanic ?
http://www.isteve.com/who_is.htm
Who is Hispanic ? - The official but vague
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
definition is: "All persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican,
Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish
culture or origin, regardless of race."
http://www.fsu.edu/~elcentro/DidUknow.html
http://www.hispanic-research.com/home/faq.htm

OTHER DEFINITIONS - LEGALLY VALID
A competing definition is "someone who grew up in a Spanish speaking
household or was born in a Spanish-speaking country." This favors
recent immigrants over longer-resident, English-speaking Hispanic
families. It also discourages families from teaching their kids
English. Further, it would exclude plenty of obvious candidates. For
example, the late musical prodigy Ritchie Valens (Ricardo Valenzuela),
a hero to Mexican-Americans, was raised speaking only English (he
learned the Spanish lyrics to "La Bamba" phonetically). Finally, it
includes Spaniards and Teutonic Paraguayans named Klaus who don't like
to talk about what their fathers were doing 1933-1945.

THE ULTIMATE LOOPHOLE - "SELF-IDENTIFICATION"
The Ultimate Loophole. According to the EEOC, you can belong to any
protected minority with which you "identify." {Self-Identification}
Since most people identify with their self-interests, anybody can
plausibly claim to sincerely identify with anything.
Note - Often any and all of the following elements
can cause and and Individual to "Self-Identify" with
being a Hispanic :
* Name
* Language
* Culture and Religion {Up Bringing}
* Heritage {Family, Ancestors and Appearance}

DOD - Department of Defense Directive 1350.2 defines Hispanic as "A
person having
origins in any of the original peoples of Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba,
Central or South
America, or of other Spanish cultures, regardless of race." (9A) In
the 2000 Census, it
was left up to the individual to identify if they were
Spanish/Hispanic/Latino. If the
answer was yes, then the individual had to decide if they were Mexican,
Puerto Rican,
Cuban, or Other. If the Other category was chosen, the individual could
write-in a
response. There are two central themes in determining who is Hispanic;
a common
language and lineage that can be traced back to Spain or Latin America.
http://www.soc.mil/usacapoc/eo/hhm02.pdf

Hispanic = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
http://www.fsu.edu/~elcentro/DidUknow.html
http://www.lasculturas.com/aa/aa051701a.htm


hispanic - it all comes down to who you are ~ RHF

David Frackelton Gleason aka Eduardo 'the confused' wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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In fact, your wrong definition fails to recognizee the 15 million or so
Hispanics born in the USA.

That's the definition. What don't you understand about the words 'other'
or
'origin'?

The US is not / has not a "Spanish cullture" although one thrives inside the
dominat culture.

The proper definition (the one you use is mostly for government procurement)
is that of the US census. In any case, both specify origin or culture, and
would indicate that a person of Hispanic culture is Hispanic. Seems clear to
everyone but you.

That is the definition used officially in the US.

No, it is the one used mostly for procurement. It is somewhat different from
the one of the OMB and the US census (/which are, in fact, the same).

Spin, spin spin...

Hey, tell me again about how you left home at 13 and moved to Mexico.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Mon, 05 Jun
2006 07:13:07 -0400, dxAce wrote:



RHF wrote:

hispanic - it all comes down to who you are ~ RHF

Yep, and Eddy Weirdo is NOT hispanic!

Sounds like it all comes down to who/what you want to be,
for whatever purpose you want it to be.

Interesting that my question relating to an acquired cultural tendency,
in my case Mexican food, despite lineage, wasn't acknowledged by DE,
but was nitpicked over the origin of the food item I referenced.

Because the food item was not Mexican but American. And that invalidates
your contention, as humorous as it may be.

Just shows that he's more of a trivial nuisance than any source of great
knowledge, shame too, he has a lot of experience in broadcasting.

You should know the difference between US adaptations of Mexican ingredients
(burritos, chili con carne, etc.) and real Mexican food. Any effort to
identify with Mexico without knowing that is, let's say, a fatal flaw.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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On 5 Jun 2006 18:20:37 -0700, "RHF"
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DX Ace - You have Your Opinion -and- I have Mine.

''Hispanic surnamed'' used to be the criteria.

Long, long ago. Before the Census started asking the Hispanic Question in
1980.

Otherwise, Vicente Fox would not be Hispanic. Fujimori, former president
of
Peru, would not be. And all these others:

Assad Bucaram Mayor of Guayaquil
Carlos Menem President of Argentina
Bernardo O'Higgins, Liberator of Chile.
Alfredo Stroessner President of Paraguay
Enrique Rikenhoff Puerto Rico Olympic Committee.
José Liberman Radio Station owner in Mexico
Jacobo Zabludovsky Mexican news anchor
Raul Astor Argentine Comedian

And so on.

Hey, tell me again about how you left home at 13 and moved to Mexico.

And that has exactly "what" to do with how the surnames of Hispanics do not
have to be "Spanish?"

All of the foreigners originated in Africa.We all originated from
Africa.
cuhulin

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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On 5 Jun 2006 18:20:37 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

DX Ace - You have Your Opinion -and- I have Mine.

''Hispanic surnamed'' used to be the criteria.

Long, long ago. Before the Census started asking the Hispanic Question in
1980.

Otherwise, Vicente Fox would not be Hispanic. Fujimori, former president
of
Peru, would not be. And all these others:

Assad Bucaram Mayor of Guayaquil
Carlos Menem President of Argentina
Bernardo O'Higgins, Liberator of Chile.
Alfredo Stroessner President of Paraguay
Enrique Rikenhoff Puerto Rico Olympic Committee.
José Liberman Radio Station owner in Mexico
Jacobo Zabludovsky Mexican news anchor
Raul Astor Argentine Comedian

And so on.

Hey, tell me again about how you left home at 13 and moved to Mexico.

And that has exactly "what" to do with how the surnames of Hispanics do not
have to be "Spanish?"

Awwww Wardo, I just wanted you to tell me that lie again!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:38:34 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
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On 5 Jun 2006 18:20:37 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

DX Ace - You have Your Opinion -and- I have Mine.

''Hispanic surnamed'' used to be the criteria.

Long, long ago. Before the Census started asking the Hispanic Question in
1980.
Back in the day, Mexicans were considered white people.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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On 5 Jun 2006 18:20:37 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

DX Ace - You have Your Opinion -and- I have Mine.

''Hispanic surnamed'' used to be the criteria.

Long, long ago. Before the Census started asking the Hispanic Question
in
1980.

Otherwise, Vicente Fox would not be Hispanic. Fujimori, former
president
of
Peru, would not be. And all these others:

Assad Bucaram Mayor of Guayaquil
Carlos Menem President of Argentina
Bernardo O'Higgins, Liberator of Chile.
Alfredo Stroessner President of Paraguay
Enrique Rikenhoff Puerto Rico Olympic Committee.
José Liberman Radio Station owner in Mexico
Jacobo Zabludovsky Mexican news anchor
Raul Astor Argentine Comedian

And so on.

Hey, tell me again about how you left home at 13 and moved to Mexico.

And that has exactly "what" to do with how the surnames of Hispanics do
not
have to be "Spanish?"

Awwww Wardo, I just wanted you to tell me that lie again!

Funny, but my passport has my first entrance to Mexico at age 13, and final
move there a couple of years later.