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David Eduardo wrote:

Of course there isn't. The poromotion of HD on a massive scale just began
and the 2.0 design spec receivers have not arrived at retail yet.





I'm beginning to hear promotion of HD, here, but little of it on AM.
Virtually all on FM. This despite the AM band, at least where I'm
located, crippled with IBOC hash, and with the exception of the local in
Waukegan, and the blowtorches using IBOC, not much of the band is usable.

Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band
as there has been on FM.

Although, the strategy of trashing the band to analog users, does, in
a Microsoft kind of way, push listeners of AM only available programming
into adopting HD just to escape the hash and hiss. All of it goes away
in the digital mode.

And make no mistake, there's not a radio available to me (and I have
hundreds) that doesn't nicely produce an IBOC hiss while listening to
analog audio of IBOC equipped stations.

"The Din of Ibiquity," indeed.


Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since
retailers are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory
themselves.

and:

What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and
advantages of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?



p

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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:10:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:




Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100 stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

FM took off when the hippies took over.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC. There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

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On 5 Jul 2006 07:38:19 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
wrote:


My Tivoli-Model 1 is now useless on AM in the daytime. Go figure.

Lovely. All digital radio is a step toward more complete
government/corporate control.

Ask Homey.

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"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

What a joke - that doesn't mean **** ! Do you really think consumers
are going to pay for
digital radio and a fee to sign up/listen !

There is no fee for HD radio, nor is there for the HD-2 expansion channels.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Satellite radio is already
deeply in debt, because
of that same reason !

No, it is not, as I explained before. Satellite has used equity, not debt,
financing.

What a ****ing joke you are ! Consumers have no
interest in purchasing digital radios to listen to AM/FM !

And you know this how?

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"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:10:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:




Keep in mind that in the first 3 years of FM stereo, only about 100
stations
converted. It took FM as a band another 8 to 10 years to become
economically
viable after stereo was introduced, and much had to do with government
"forced" regulation. It took 6 years for portable CD players to drop below
$200... and that is about $300 in today's dollars.

FM took off when the hippies took over.

FM took off when the FCC mandated an end to simulcasting. The biggest gain
in FM was from Beautiful Music, not progressive rock.

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"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC -
HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC.

Threre is a net gain of 50 to 100 stations a month. We should be at 2000 on
air by Summer of 2007.

There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

iBiquity is privately held, and owned significantly by the developers and by
major broadcast companies.

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band as
there has been on FM.

The problem is that, with or without HD, there are only a couple of viable
AMs per market, if you average the top 100 or so markets. Some have none,
like DC. To the non-viable stations, HD is probably of no interest...
brokerd shows, ethnic fringes and religion are the alternatives.

Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since retailers
are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory themselves.

There are only a couple of 1.0 radios out there... the infamous "disco
lights" car radio and the BA and one or two others. They will probably be
retired... I understand the BA was redesigned, using the new spec.

What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and advantages
of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?

Lowered manufacturing cost is the main one, but there are some features
related to the HD 2 selection and the data screen and sensitivity to the
digital signal, as well as improvements to the basic algorithm on the
receiver side.

There is still not an efficient chipset that will allow portable devices
that run on batteries. That is a major concern, but being worked on.

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', obviously on some kind of paid
leave to shill for HD/IBOC wrote:

"SWL_is_for_losers_!" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
ups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:
"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage_!" wrote in
message
oups.com...

You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC -
HD/IBOC
will die !

You have said that same cut-and-paste statement bout 25 times now. Add
something useful, like Stephanie or Brenda, or shut up.


You could have fooled me ! There is no interest for HD/IBOC - HD/IBOC
will die !

There are nearly 2,000 stations with HD licenses, and over 1000 on the
air.
Tell me how that is a lack of interest.

You will see, more and more stations turning off their HD/IBOC.

Threre is a net gain of 50 to 100 stations a month. We should be at 2000 on
air by Summer of 2007.

There
is no market for HD/IBOC AM/FM, so why don't you go buy stock in
iBiquity and watch your portfolio tank !

iBiquity is privately held, and owned significantly by the developers and by
major broadcast companies.

Like Univision! The company you're here shilling for!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Which raises questions about why, if HD is going to be the saviour of
the AM band, there hasn't been as much promotion of HD on the low band as
there has been on FM.

The problem is that, with or without HD, there are only a couple of viable
AMs per market, if you average the top 100 or so markets. Some have none,
like DC. To the non-viable stations, HD is probably of no interest...
brokerd shows, ethnic fringes and religion are the alternatives.




Here, about halfway between Milwaukee and Chicago, there are a
number of successful, if not thriving, AM's. Of them, most are using HD,
judging by the hash. And yet, I've only heard WGN mention it. WGN being
the latecomer.

If there is going to be a push for HD and a significant investment on
the part of each station, why isn't it being promoted as heavily on
those AM stations using it, as it is on the FMs?

That was a good deal of the problem with AM stereo. That, and the
lack of a standard for AM stereo implementation. If it's on the air
creating trash, why isn't it being promoted for it's advantages to
encourage listeners to migrate from the analogue side where the trash is
an issue, to the digital side where it's not, and the claimed benefits
of AM HD are demonstrable?

Spend that kind of money and take that kind of risk, it makes no
sense not to motivate listeners to take advantage of what you're doing.




Two additional questions: if 2.0 spec receivers are on their way to
retail, how will we know them from the 1.x spec receivers, since retailers
are going to be disinclined to identify obsoleted inventory themselves.

There are only a couple of 1.0 radios out there... the infamous "disco
lights" car radio and the BA and one or two others. They will probably be
retired... I understand the BA was redesigned, using the new spec.
What, specifically, are the differences, improvements, and advantages
of 2.0 over the previous generation of HD radios?

Lowered manufacturing cost is the main one, but there are some features
related to the HD 2 selection and the data screen and sensitivity to the
digital signal, as well as improvements to the basic algorithm on the
receiver side.

There is still not an efficient chipset that will allow portable devices
that run on batteries. That is a major concern, but being worked on.


One would think that if DELPHI and JVC can put together a portable
satellite receiver, with decent battery life, they could do the same
with IBOC equipped receivers in a similar sized package.


Make no mistake, portable satellite receivers get good and warm,
indicating some serious current draw, not unlike the first and second
generations of digital cameras, but they do work, and battery life is
pretty solid.